Natty...
I'll try to keep it short... there are two types of schools, government supported and private. I hope that explains the discrepency you have with my comments. The King actually supported the muslim schools, only in the South.
One can argue the issue of assimulation vs. diversity elsewhere. :^P
In terms of history... the King has tried a million times to appease the south and to keep the country together. He supported the muslim schools so that those that DFEMC is defending are not the targets of hate. I can't go over a history lesson on what has been done, but it is difficult to have the lay person understand the difficulties of keeping the nation as one. (not referring to you natty)
Muslims have a different thought process (stereotyping). If you notice their belief system differs than ours whether it be Thai or Western. (DFEMC please don't attack me... I'm not talking about you okay?) Muslim women are not allowed to marry non-muslims, but men are allowed to marry outside their religion. There are alot of issues about religion that is better discussed in person... (when you treat me to sushi Natty. 5555) You need to find some muslims and have a chit chat to learn more about them. It's interesting... and DFEMC I don't think you are a monster cause you are muslim. So don't hate.
It is hard to make peace because of how they think (generalization). I had Iranian friends who came over for college from Iran, years back and they would always bad mouth America. In my head, I kept thinking, why are you here? It's like they lack something. (yes, I should not stereotype based on the ones I met, but I'm just tossing out that)
When I was doing research at USC with another Iranian physician. We discussed the issue of 9-11 which was oh so recent. He claimed to believe it was either Jewish or American who did it. He rationalized that it was an aim to start war with the Middle East to take over oil, etc. He was a sane person and not a person to bad mouth America. He appreciated America and why he was here. He stated JFK as an example to his theory. If you don't know about JFK, the theory that's been tossed around by CIA/FBI etc in regards to his assasination was by powerful people who JFK stepped on within our own country lines which led to his demise. There is evidence to suggest it, and if you are interested in that... research the history channel, there should be a story on him there... or check your local library as I am just providing food for thought. The Iranian physician felt this was no different. I kept asking him the ability to coordinate it to have muslims committ a crime against their own people and to have them take the fall for the US to gain is hard to imagine. But thats a discussion I had with one foreigner I share with you.
The point is that there are two sides to each coin. The issues in the South are complicated. Thaksin was corrupt, but they say Sonthi is too. The South thinks Thai central gvt is corrupt and the central govt doesn't know who exactly is feeding garbage to the Southerners. Indoensia, Malaysia, communists, and others could all benefit from the break down of the Thai economy. It's working too. The muslim radicals who are no way affiliated with peace loving muslims that DFEMC needs me to recognize and argue on play of words, needs to dealt with, but news of corruption and unjustice leads people to have little faith in the central government. There was the death of several citizens of the South due to dehydration during a protest which was caused by military soldiers under Thaksin care. There was the corrupt officials and assassination of defense lawyers that the muslims hired to defend them that died which gives them no encouragment to want to be involved with central Thailand's government leadership. They don't want these evil corrupt politicians be be in the South.
Instead the South feeds off of the muslim breathrens who provide propaganda to encourage the division in the South and continue to use violence in hopes to separate Thai's South and make it chaotic. Run out the people who are affiliated with the central government.
There are bad people in the government and there are good. Right now, there are leaders in the miliatary who are trying REALLY hard to refrain from using brute force. 7 soldiers were killed by an IED device recently. young Thai men similar to US soldiers.
That could have been me, or your brother or whoever, who they killed. It just bursts my bubble. People keep saying violence isn't the answer, but when you are against an irrational foe, people have to realize, you can't use rationalization. It's like talking to a child and telling them they should do things because its for their own good. The kid in the candy shop doesn't care if the sweets will give him cavities, he wants his candy and he wants it NOW. Catch my drift?
The passive muslims who are quiet are not helping the situation allowing these people to continue to cause mayhem for either fear or what not. IT SUCKS!
One has to see all sides and understand that life isn't black and white.
I have family in the South as well and to think that I am insensitive would be ill-directed. Wan and Ice are not close minded because they understand what's going on. And the garb that Ice is talking about has soo many issues and problems.
Its funny how DFEMC is a feminist and yet wants to defend the muslim teachings. muslim teaching would teach dfemc not to talk back to the male gender or husband. She should be submissive. but anyways... i hate religion discussions ... all they do is make people upset.
When I was working with abused and burned victums.... I would see women in the full get up. One has to respect the culture and invasion of privacy, but at the same time, you wonder, did their husband abuse them, do they have bruises, what are they hiding. Their child has burns over their body, and the mother has nothing. It makes assessing the situation that much harder, but whatever... I totally understand what Ice is trying to say.
Traditioanl Muslims hate how the US muslims don't wear or are losing their traditional houkas and garbs. I was shocked to see my friend who always wore her garb took it off vs. protesting for freedom of expression of her religion when asked to enter a sterile medical field.
i'm trying to share stories cause the people on here don't know me and credibility is questionable, but unlike others who are not worth trusting, I hope i have provided sufficient info to give you more food for thought. If you are muslim, don't think that Thai people hate you. These comments are referring to the political environment. I am sure that Ice has muslims classmates or friends who she gets along nicely with. I have plenty of muslim friends. And I don't mean, "Oh i have a black friend so therefore I'm not racist" thinking. I have christian friends who have come to a conclusion do not discuss religion any further. I don't let religion interfere with friendships. We have to respect one another and their beliefs. Tolerance is key... and hence why it is insulting when people take the words literally.
If you want to question the background or understanding of your oppenents thinking of muslims or any subject, educate and see if the other side knows about it.
Don't attack the person.
Damn... still wordy!
I'll try to keep it short... there are two types of schools, government supported and private. I hope that explains the discrepency you have with my comments. The King actually supported the muslim schools, only in the South.
One can argue the issue of assimulation vs. diversity elsewhere. :^P
In terms of history... the King has tried a million times to appease the south and to keep the country together. He supported the muslim schools so that those that DFEMC is defending are not the targets of hate. I can't go over a history lesson on what has been done, but it is difficult to have the lay person understand the difficulties of keeping the nation as one. (not referring to you natty)
Muslims have a different thought process (stereotyping). If you notice their belief system differs than ours whether it be Thai or Western. (DFEMC please don't attack me... I'm not talking about you okay?) Muslim women are not allowed to marry non-muslims, but men are allowed to marry outside their religion. There are alot of issues about religion that is better discussed in person... (when you treat me to sushi Natty. 5555) You need to find some muslims and have a chit chat to learn more about them. It's interesting... and DFEMC I don't think you are a monster cause you are muslim. So don't hate.
It is hard to make peace because of how they think (generalization). I had Iranian friends who came over for college from Iran, years back and they would always bad mouth America. In my head, I kept thinking, why are you here? It's like they lack something. (yes, I should not stereotype based on the ones I met, but I'm just tossing out that)
When I was doing research at USC with another Iranian physician. We discussed the issue of 9-11 which was oh so recent. He claimed to believe it was either Jewish or American who did it. He rationalized that it was an aim to start war with the Middle East to take over oil, etc. He was a sane person and not a person to bad mouth America. He appreciated America and why he was here. He stated JFK as an example to his theory. If you don't know about JFK, the theory that's been tossed around by CIA/FBI etc in regards to his assasination was by powerful people who JFK stepped on within our own country lines which led to his demise. There is evidence to suggest it, and if you are interested in that... research the history channel, there should be a story on him there... or check your local library as I am just providing food for thought. The Iranian physician felt this was no different. I kept asking him the ability to coordinate it to have muslims committ a crime against their own people and to have them take the fall for the US to gain is hard to imagine. But thats a discussion I had with one foreigner I share with you.
The point is that there are two sides to each coin. The issues in the South are complicated. Thaksin was corrupt, but they say Sonthi is too. The South thinks Thai central gvt is corrupt and the central govt doesn't know who exactly is feeding garbage to the Southerners. Indoensia, Malaysia, communists, and others could all benefit from the break down of the Thai economy. It's working too. The muslim radicals who are no way affiliated with peace loving muslims that DFEMC needs me to recognize and argue on play of words, needs to dealt with, but news of corruption and unjustice leads people to have little faith in the central government. There was the death of several citizens of the South due to dehydration during a protest which was caused by military soldiers under Thaksin care. There was the corrupt officials and assassination of defense lawyers that the muslims hired to defend them that died which gives them no encouragment to want to be involved with central Thailand's government leadership. They don't want these evil corrupt politicians be be in the South.
Instead the South feeds off of the muslim breathrens who provide propaganda to encourage the division in the South and continue to use violence in hopes to separate Thai's South and make it chaotic. Run out the people who are affiliated with the central government.
There are bad people in the government and there are good. Right now, there are leaders in the miliatary who are trying REALLY hard to refrain from using brute force. 7 soldiers were killed by an IED device recently. young Thai men similar to US soldiers.
That could have been me, or your brother or whoever, who they killed. It just bursts my bubble. People keep saying violence isn't the answer, but when you are against an irrational foe, people have to realize, you can't use rationalization. It's like talking to a child and telling them they should do things because its for their own good. The kid in the candy shop doesn't care if the sweets will give him cavities, he wants his candy and he wants it NOW. Catch my drift?
The passive muslims who are quiet are not helping the situation allowing these people to continue to cause mayhem for either fear or what not. IT SUCKS!
One has to see all sides and understand that life isn't black and white.
I have family in the South as well and to think that I am insensitive would be ill-directed. Wan and Ice are not close minded because they understand what's going on. And the garb that Ice is talking about has soo many issues and problems.
Its funny how DFEMC is a feminist and yet wants to defend the muslim teachings. muslim teaching would teach dfemc not to talk back to the male gender or husband. She should be submissive. but anyways... i hate religion discussions ... all they do is make people upset.
When I was working with abused and burned victums.... I would see women in the full get up. One has to respect the culture and invasion of privacy, but at the same time, you wonder, did their husband abuse them, do they have bruises, what are they hiding. Their child has burns over their body, and the mother has nothing. It makes assessing the situation that much harder, but whatever... I totally understand what Ice is trying to say.
Traditioanl Muslims hate how the US muslims don't wear or are losing their traditional houkas and garbs. I was shocked to see my friend who always wore her garb took it off vs. protesting for freedom of expression of her religion when asked to enter a sterile medical field.
i'm trying to share stories cause the people on here don't know me and credibility is questionable, but unlike others who are not worth trusting, I hope i have provided sufficient info to give you more food for thought. If you are muslim, don't think that Thai people hate you. These comments are referring to the political environment. I am sure that Ice has muslims classmates or friends who she gets along nicely with. I have plenty of muslim friends. And I don't mean, "Oh i have a black friend so therefore I'm not racist" thinking. I have christian friends who have come to a conclusion do not discuss religion any further. I don't let religion interfere with friendships. We have to respect one another and their beliefs. Tolerance is key... and hence why it is insulting when people take the words literally.
If you want to question the background or understanding of your oppenents thinking of muslims or any subject, educate and see if the other side knows about it.
Don't attack the person.
Damn... still wordy!
