mongstaness
sarNie Adult
so what are these supernatural things that happened on or off set? also what were the ones that happened when ubol was supposed to be bee?
[OneHD] Pidsawat (Exact) : Noon Woranuch Pong Nawat
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honda
sarNie Hatchling
Call me old fashion (or delusional lol) but I believe our fate is pre-written for us and there is no way for us to avoid that fate. Not saying should live are life with no meaning but I do believe that no matter what we do, if it is written in fate, it will be. Ukkanee seems heartless because he chose his country over his wife. I think no matter which route he chose, Ukkanee would be in pain with his decision. Khun Ubol thinks Ukkanee betrayed her love and forced her into an eternity of darkness that she didn't willing chose. I think once khun Ubol see's history from Ukkanee's memory, she will understand his actions and willing stay and guard the treasures for eternity. I wish Manager had the script on their website so I know what will happen next.
aiyaja
sarNie OldFart
My rant for today. Lol
I think it depends on each person's perspective of love and duty. I, personally...
At the end of the day, Pra Akk was selfish in sacrificing his pure and innocent wife for his duty. A duty that dies with him, a duty that will be forgotten, a duty that will disappear with time, a duty bound to humans. While she can never be in peace even after death. Yes, we can argue and say, he did it out of love for his country, his kingdom, his home. He should be remembered as a chivalrous man who contributed to the formation of a new state and sadly had to live with the pain of sacrificing his love for the mission.
However, I think, whether it's for duty or for the kingdom, I would never sacrifice someone nor would want to be sacrificed. I don't know if anyone watched the Korean drama, Scholar Who Walks the Night? The pra'ake, Seung Yeol, had the duty of ridding the palace of a vampire who feeds on innocent lives for almost 200 years...Yang Sun, nang'ake, was believed to be answer. Everyone wanted to sacrifice her for the sake of the kingdom, the people, the King...but Seung Yeol stood firm and said no. He fought for her life and guess what? In the end, she wasn't the answer. My type of pra'ake and true love would be Seung Yeol. A pra'ake who would do anything for my happiness, not his own or for his duty or for anyone. He would actually yell at me if I ever thought about sacrificing myself.
It sort of comes down to, are you going to choose loyalty or integrity. I choose integrity.
I believe in fate, too but I also believe in free will. Fate determines which family you're born into, perhaps who your soul mate may be, what type of career you'll embark on thus your gift or talent...but free will determines on what you'll do with your talent because you could end up being a druggie with no life, when you'll meet your soul mate because there may be delays like being stuck on the wrong person, and so forth. If anyone has gone to a psychic like me, they always tell me that they can only predict up to a certain time frame because the future is constantly changing. And why is it constantly changing? Free will.
What I meant by fate in relations to this drama is, with or without the sacrifice, it didn't change the fate of the weak and now, collapsing nation. We would never know if sacrificing Khun Ubol even made a difference. If fate has it that the country will re-build itself with a capable King, even without all of the treasures, the King is god given and has the capabilities to find a way with his people.
Okay, so if Khun Ubol had to be sacrificed, then I think it's fair if somewhere in the oath, there was a clause that said, once Pra Akk is reborn, he'll come and take her place or once the new country is built and the treasures have served their purpose, then she'll be released. But when Pra Akk cursed her, he never thought about all of that. Okay, maybe he did but still he went through with it. You know how tormenting it is for her soul to never be reborn or reach peace? And that is for an eternity?! There's no end. Omg. I can't imagine that. And she was unwilling, too. Her type of love towards her country was totally different from Pra Akk's and it comes to show that no, she would not have chosen to sacrifice him like he did to her if the chance came.
Perhaps some women after they find out that he did love her will forgive him and continue being the guardian but I, for one, would forgive him but say, nah, you come and take the spot because in the end, it was something you caused. Your hands and mouth created the curse, so if the curse is to be an eternal thing, then let it be you. But no hard feelings. Just that you should be responsible for your own actions, so that you know not to create something you can't reverse, is forever, or wouldn't do it yourself. Lol
I think it depends on each person's perspective of love and duty. I, personally...
At the end of the day, Pra Akk was selfish in sacrificing his pure and innocent wife for his duty. A duty that dies with him, a duty that will be forgotten, a duty that will disappear with time, a duty bound to humans. While she can never be in peace even after death. Yes, we can argue and say, he did it out of love for his country, his kingdom, his home. He should be remembered as a chivalrous man who contributed to the formation of a new state and sadly had to live with the pain of sacrificing his love for the mission.
However, I think, whether it's for duty or for the kingdom, I would never sacrifice someone nor would want to be sacrificed. I don't know if anyone watched the Korean drama, Scholar Who Walks the Night? The pra'ake, Seung Yeol, had the duty of ridding the palace of a vampire who feeds on innocent lives for almost 200 years...Yang Sun, nang'ake, was believed to be answer. Everyone wanted to sacrifice her for the sake of the kingdom, the people, the King...but Seung Yeol stood firm and said no. He fought for her life and guess what? In the end, she wasn't the answer. My type of pra'ake and true love would be Seung Yeol. A pra'ake who would do anything for my happiness, not his own or for his duty or for anyone. He would actually yell at me if I ever thought about sacrificing myself.
It sort of comes down to, are you going to choose loyalty or integrity. I choose integrity.
I believe in fate, too but I also believe in free will. Fate determines which family you're born into, perhaps who your soul mate may be, what type of career you'll embark on thus your gift or talent...but free will determines on what you'll do with your talent because you could end up being a druggie with no life, when you'll meet your soul mate because there may be delays like being stuck on the wrong person, and so forth. If anyone has gone to a psychic like me, they always tell me that they can only predict up to a certain time frame because the future is constantly changing. And why is it constantly changing? Free will.
What I meant by fate in relations to this drama is, with or without the sacrifice, it didn't change the fate of the weak and now, collapsing nation. We would never know if sacrificing Khun Ubol even made a difference. If fate has it that the country will re-build itself with a capable King, even without all of the treasures, the King is god given and has the capabilities to find a way with his people.
Okay, so if Khun Ubol had to be sacrificed, then I think it's fair if somewhere in the oath, there was a clause that said, once Pra Akk is reborn, he'll come and take her place or once the new country is built and the treasures have served their purpose, then she'll be released. But when Pra Akk cursed her, he never thought about all of that. Okay, maybe he did but still he went through with it. You know how tormenting it is for her soul to never be reborn or reach peace? And that is for an eternity?! There's no end. Omg. I can't imagine that. And she was unwilling, too. Her type of love towards her country was totally different from Pra Akk's and it comes to show that no, she would not have chosen to sacrifice him like he did to her if the chance came.
Perhaps some women after they find out that he did love her will forgive him and continue being the guardian but I, for one, would forgive him but say, nah, you come and take the spot because in the end, it was something you caused. Your hands and mouth created the curse, so if the curse is to be an eternal thing, then let it be you. But no hard feelings. Just that you should be responsible for your own actions, so that you know not to create something you can't reverse, is forever, or wouldn't do it yourself. Lol
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sarNie Adult
Haven't start on it yet, I wanted to but I've been too darn lazy.
But I'll take your word for it. I know I won't have any issue with our P'nang for I already know they can act.
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sarNie Adult
WHAT !!!!! You never watched Kha Khong Khon? you need to go watch that one right away. That was my first time watching Noon lakorn.OMG Exactly I was like that. Why don't you kill yourself? BTW Noon is so beautiful, my first time watching her
OMG you guys! So I'm trying to play episode 2 over & over again & it wouldn't let me. So I got frustrated & stopped. Locked my phone & went to find food to eat. Then later as I sat down to eat, BAAAM the video came on it's on & the female voice at the very beginning of the intro scared the hell out of me. It was so loud & I don't maximize my volume like that. I don't know...
I just started this yesterday and I already caught up. What days does this air? Sadly for me, I have to keep on translating for my mom and sister cuz they can't understand a thing, while I understand a little more. I can't feel the characters' emotions if I keep on translating for them, but so far I like it.
. What days does this air? Sadly for me, I have to keep on translating for my mom and sister cuz they can't understand a thing, while I understand a little more. I can't feel the characters' emotions if I keep on translating for them, but so far I like it.
aiyaja
sarNie OldFart
Omg...Ceda, that is creepy.
I enjoy the lakorn and can't help but be so saddened about the story that is most likely true considering all of the activity surrounding it from the time the book was written to every television and movie adaptation.
The more I think about it, the more I think about how awful and tormenting the curse Pra Akk placed on Khun Ubol. Even as a human and married to him, she was never really happy and if she was, it was very short lived because Pra Akk always chose his duty over her. She didn't get to live a normal wife life with the one she loved. Then he robbed her of a future when he sacrificed her just to bound her to an eternity of torment. I hope the writers touch basis on that aspect and not praise Pra Akk for his actions. Like I said again, I have no issues with protecting or saving the country and freedom BUT it has to be willingly and not eternal. A kingdom and country is something of the world that will not last forever, so why should anyone be bound to something that will melt away with time? There's no purpose. Gosh, I hope Khun Ubol's spirit gets freed because it's insanely unfair. The trade was too unfair. Khun Ubol loved Pra Akk for a few mere human years in exchange for an eternity of pain and suffering. Sigh. Too sad.
I think that's why the scene where Noon tells us that she felt as if it wasn't her saying those lines in Episode 4 along the lines of "he who created it, must be the one to fix it" is so strong and was from the guardian herself because yes, to place an eternal curse on anyone is probably the cruelest thing to do ever and to have done it to the one you supposedly love?! Man.
I enjoy the lakorn and can't help but be so saddened about the story that is most likely true considering all of the activity surrounding it from the time the book was written to every television and movie adaptation.
The more I think about it, the more I think about how awful and tormenting the curse Pra Akk placed on Khun Ubol. Even as a human and married to him, she was never really happy and if she was, it was very short lived because Pra Akk always chose his duty over her. She didn't get to live a normal wife life with the one she loved. Then he robbed her of a future when he sacrificed her just to bound her to an eternity of torment. I hope the writers touch basis on that aspect and not praise Pra Akk for his actions. Like I said again, I have no issues with protecting or saving the country and freedom BUT it has to be willingly and not eternal. A kingdom and country is something of the world that will not last forever, so why should anyone be bound to something that will melt away with time? There's no purpose. Gosh, I hope Khun Ubol's spirit gets freed because it's insanely unfair. The trade was too unfair. Khun Ubol loved Pra Akk for a few mere human years in exchange for an eternity of pain and suffering. Sigh. Too sad.
I think that's why the scene where Noon tells us that she felt as if it wasn't her saying those lines in Episode 4 along the lines of "he who created it, must be the one to fix it" is so strong and was from the guardian herself because yes, to place an eternal curse on anyone is probably the cruelest thing to do ever and to have done it to the one you supposedly love?! Man.
honda
sarNie Hatchling
I do sympathize with khun Ubol and agree that no one should unwillingly be sacrificed. Back in the days, people are not open minded/well educated as today's people(newer generations). It's easy for us to accept changes and see the world for what it really is but people back then did not have the same understanding and did not welcome changes.
HuabNag
sarNie Adult
thailakornvideos is uploading. It should be on the previous page.
aiyaja
sarNie OldFart
Yeah, I agree. That's why I don't blame Pra Akk completely because he is from an ancient generation and mindset. Heck. What we believe and do today may be barbaric or wrong in the next 500 years.
But just judging from Pra Akk and Ubol's interpretation of loyalty, you can see that though Ubol loved her homeland just as much if not more than Pra Akk, she would probably never choose to sacrifice anyone if she had the chance to. If Ubol thought like Pra Akk for even a slight moment, she would have known something was up when he made her swear or when he pulled out the sword, but she died in shock and unbelief. Like even when she swore to take care of the treasures, she didn't do it for the kingdom, she did it because Pra Akk asked her to. It was his request of her to, that's why she was tricked into doing and that's why it hurts so much and is so unfair. Ubol's love for her homeland meant not being a coward and going up against their enemies to fight. Even in those olden days, she had a different mentality than Pra Akk which aligns closer to the modern world's view of love. It's just a bit sad that Ubol just loved a man who loved his homeland as number one. I'm sure there were men out there who were placed in the same situation and didn't sacrifice their loved ones.
Even as a ghost Ubol still loves him while he has completely forgotten about her and his past. If he remembers his past, it's because she actively made him. If not for Ubol's plea with the heavens for justice, Pra Akk would probably never remember and live his many lifetimes without her. That's just sad.
saobomp
sarNie Adult
Thanks!!!
Maya_Fantasy
sarNie Oldmaid
We will never know for sure if she will be WILLINGLY or NOT to protect the national treasures if she knew the true, but at least we knows she loves her country and probably will do everything she can to protect the treasures. Therefore is hard to judge what it would have been like if she knew. To me as of now the only thing, that I can think of is what/why pra'ak did to her is because he trusted her completely and knew that there is no one better to protect the treasures than her, because of her loves for her country, so in his mind he probably entrusted these to his one and only person that he loves and trusts with all his heart to guard it. Short coming on his part or not, or even if it kills him(inside) to killed his beloved wife, but in the circumstance they were in he can't see any other choice.
Sorry I'm a little off topic, just thought I shares this...
Back to Khun Ubol's true story* sad as it may be, at least she is guarding something she loves and treasures with her life. If anyone saw or watches videos on YT of the story and history of the "Lao Khang peoples" now living or struck in Thailand, that was chases or uproots from Laos Luang Prabang and Vientiane during the Siam and Laos war couple of hundred years ago, there they were ordinary peoples (rich, upper class peoples) curse and killed a child/children as young as 7 or 8 years old to guard their good and valuables they buried in the ground during their fleeting from their home/war. Those innocent kids does not know or care about those treasures(unlike Khun Ubol's loves for it), yet they were curses for eternity to guard it. That is just as sad that their lives has ended because of greed; Khun Ubol life ended because of loves.
No, I'm not saying one is better than the other because both are bad and barbaric, it's just that one is done with honor and one is ___ I don't even know what you would described those parent that did that to their child. 
72701
sarNie Adult
Since I don't believe in the afterlife, maybe the kids were fortunate enough not to grow up with people who would kill them to guard some treasure for all eternity. And if it were true, the parents should be in some eternal hell or an endless cycle of being rebirth into bad lives. They should believe in reincarnation. How do they rationalize killing kids for greed. TF don't even make sense.Back to Khun Ubol's true story* sad as it may be, at least she is guarding something she loves and treasures with her life. If anyone saw or watches videos on YT of the story and history of the "Lao Khang peoples" now living or struck in Thailand, that was chases or uproots from Laos Luang Prabang and Vientiane during the Siam and Laos war couple of hundred years ago, there they were ordinary peoples (rich, upper class peoples) curse and killed a child/children as young as 7 or 8 years old to guard their good and valuables they buried in the ground during their fleeting from their home/war. Those innocent kids does not know or care about those treasures(unlike Khun Ubol's loves for it), yet they were curses for eternity to guard it. That is just as sad that their lives has ended because of greed; Khun Ubol life ended because of loves.
mongstaness
sarNie Adult
is this a true story?
aiyaja
sarNie OldFart
^The story about the children is extremely sad and unfortunate. My heart pours out to them, too.
Yeah, stories like these are pretty common throughout history.
Both Khun Ubol and the children were victims. Yeah, I guess, you can say Khun Ubol was killed to guard the nation's treasures, so it's more honorable but some can definitely argue that there is no honor in taking a life for whatever reason and most importantly, cursing it for an eternity. That's too much.
I don't think Khun Ubol would have agreed to be sacrificed even if she knew ahead of time. She loved her country but she surely wasn't infatuated with loyalty and duty, at least not enough to kill or be sacrificed if it wasn't a direct threat and danger. Honestly, if Khun Ubol understood Pra Akk's meaning when he made her swear to protect those treasures for an eternity, she wouldn't be this upset. When he asked her how she felt if he was to give her all of those treasures, she said she wouldn't know what to do with so much, indirectly saying no, I don't care for it. But he kept pushing for it and it was then she agreed to do it IF it was what he wanted. In the very end, it wasn't loyalty to her kingdom that made her promise, it was her love for him that tied her.
Why do you think Pra Akk, Thip, and the Uncle kept the secret away from her? Because don't you think Pra Akk already knew what type of person Khun Ubol was as her husband? That she wouldn't go through with it? She would try to find a way to run away and that would ruin the plans? That's why he had to kill her without her consent.
But this is based on what's been revealed so far. I don't know if my opinion will change or not later on. Lol
Yeah, stories like these are pretty common throughout history.
Both Khun Ubol and the children were victims. Yeah, I guess, you can say Khun Ubol was killed to guard the nation's treasures, so it's more honorable but some can definitely argue that there is no honor in taking a life for whatever reason and most importantly, cursing it for an eternity. That's too much.
I don't think Khun Ubol would have agreed to be sacrificed even if she knew ahead of time. She loved her country but she surely wasn't infatuated with loyalty and duty, at least not enough to kill or be sacrificed if it wasn't a direct threat and danger. Honestly, if Khun Ubol understood Pra Akk's meaning when he made her swear to protect those treasures for an eternity, she wouldn't be this upset. When he asked her how she felt if he was to give her all of those treasures, she said she wouldn't know what to do with so much, indirectly saying no, I don't care for it. But he kept pushing for it and it was then she agreed to do it IF it was what he wanted. In the very end, it wasn't loyalty to her kingdom that made her promise, it was her love for him that tied her.
Why do you think Pra Akk, Thip, and the Uncle kept the secret away from her? Because don't you think Pra Akk already knew what type of person Khun Ubol was as her husband? That she wouldn't go through with it? She would try to find a way to run away and that would ruin the plans? That's why he had to kill her without her consent.
But this is based on what's been revealed so far. I don't know if my opinion will change or not later on. Lol
I'm sorry but no treasure or land will ever be worth more than my loved ones. No matter how much I loved my country (probably cause I'm not old fashioned), I would rather die with my signifiant other than sacrifice them for the land. I wouldn't be able to live with myself afterwards if I truly loved the person. IF anything, I would sacrifice myself so my loved ones can live.
We don't have much context yet, but Akkanee should have sacrificed himself if anything. Regardless if he was the best warrior or the best person to fight for the country, his dying love for it as a spirit should be strong enough to help any soldier overcome any obstacles or challenges the country is going to face. I agree with Aiyaja. If fate is really bound, then let it happen without having to sacrifice an innocent soul for all eternity. Akkanee should have got consent from Khun Ubol regardless of her decisions. Who knows, what if she says yes? Then she would be condemned with consent lol. But even if she said no, (which I have a feeling), I still feel like there could be alternatives that would work. Who knows, maybe her explanation of why it wasn't right could have convinced Akkanee to take an alternative, see a different side. He was a bit selfish to just do it without really seeing the pros/cons. Which, I can kind of understand since it was at the heat of the moment. But, it seemed like he had already chosen Khun Ubol, which is definitely still up for debate. If anything, he could have ran away with her, and do his absolute best to fight off any person who would get close to the treasures. I still don't wholeheartedly agree with what he did. It just doesn't feel right. Just as Khun Ubol said, "whoever created it must fix it". So powerful.
However, I do like seeing everyone's opinions to this. It's very interesting! Thanks for your insights
Has anyone seen the old version? I really do like this mystery, but it's killing me. I'm a sucker for spoilers haha. I wonder if this version is any different at all? I saw that in this version, many things are updated technology wise. Old scary music was playing through a radio in the older version. Now its playing on a Mac lol.
I'm so freaking addicted to the lakorn. I check up for news on it and BTS all the time. I love just seeing it around. I can't wait for Monday guys! I haven't felt like this in FOREVER. Especially since I haven't been too fond of ANY OneHD lakorn. I wasn't able to finish any so far. I really liked the Reun Roi Rak though, but only because I think it gave me a similar vibe to older EXACT lakorns hahah. I still didn't watch that one fully though.
By the way... all the creepy stuff that has happened in the previous version. Some similar things, some creepier things. Check it out
We don't have much context yet, but Akkanee should have sacrificed himself if anything. Regardless if he was the best warrior or the best person to fight for the country, his dying love for it as a spirit should be strong enough to help any soldier overcome any obstacles or challenges the country is going to face. I agree with Aiyaja. If fate is really bound, then let it happen without having to sacrifice an innocent soul for all eternity. Akkanee should have got consent from Khun Ubol regardless of her decisions. Who knows, what if she says yes? Then she would be condemned with consent lol. But even if she said no, (which I have a feeling), I still feel like there could be alternatives that would work. Who knows, maybe her explanation of why it wasn't right could have convinced Akkanee to take an alternative, see a different side. He was a bit selfish to just do it without really seeing the pros/cons. Which, I can kind of understand since it was at the heat of the moment. But, it seemed like he had already chosen Khun Ubol, which is definitely still up for debate. If anything, he could have ran away with her, and do his absolute best to fight off any person who would get close to the treasures. I still don't wholeheartedly agree with what he did. It just doesn't feel right. Just as Khun Ubol said, "whoever created it must fix it". So powerful.
However, I do like seeing everyone's opinions to this. It's very interesting! Thanks for your insights
Has anyone seen the old version? I really do like this mystery, but it's killing me. I'm a sucker for spoilers haha. I wonder if this version is any different at all? I saw that in this version, many things are updated technology wise. Old scary music was playing through a radio in the older version. Now its playing on a Mac lol.
I'm so freaking addicted to the lakorn. I check up for news on it and BTS all the time. I love just seeing it around. I can't wait for Monday guys! I haven't felt like this in FOREVER. Especially since I haven't been too fond of ANY OneHD lakorn. I wasn't able to finish any so far. I really liked the Reun Roi Rak though, but only because I think it gave me a similar vibe to older EXACT lakorns hahah. I still didn't watch that one fully though.
By the way... all the creepy stuff that has happened in the previous version. Some similar things, some creepier things. Check it out