Veterans VA Newbies
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sarNie Coma
Every generation has their good and bad. For instance Pol Tanthastien is not that strong of an actor but somehow you just like him in his roles. I gotta say though the best actors back in the day would be Tua Saranyu, Sam Yuranant, Off Pongpat, Willy McIntosh, Bee Sawis and Nok Chatchai. Top three would be Tua, Sam and Off.
For the middle generation I would say Aum Atichart, Ken Theeradeth and Andrew Gregson, Everyone says Vee is a bad actor but like Pol, some of his roles are good enough for you to look past it.
As for this generation, to be honest I tend to look past acting since a lot of them are good looking LOL. Nadech, Mario, Weir, James Ma, Great, Mark (sometimes) are pretty good in my book but I say give them a few years and then compare their acting to the previous generation. None of them are at that stage yet, though I think Weir is the best of the generation so far, he was pretty good at acting since his first few lakorns.
For the middle generation I would say Aum Atichart, Ken Theeradeth and Andrew Gregson, Everyone says Vee is a bad actor but like Pol, some of his roles are good enough for you to look past it.
As for this generation, to be honest I tend to look past acting since a lot of them are good looking LOL. Nadech, Mario, Weir, James Ma, Great, Mark (sometimes) are pretty good in my book but I say give them a few years and then compare their acting to the previous generation. None of them are at that stage yet, though I think Weir is the best of the generation so far, he was pretty good at acting since his first few lakorns.
Ncmeowmeow35
sarNie Oldmaid
Lol if everyone is respectful of each others' opinions I can write a novella but I don't want to come off as mean. Lol this is like the who is not that pretty thread lol.
To be more neutral without going into details, I'll say that the veterans are 100x better. I can maybe count on one hand who I think is as good as the veterans.
To be more neutral without going into details, I'll say that the veterans are 100x better. I can maybe count on one hand who I think is as good as the veterans.
Ncmeowmeow35
sarNie Oldmaid
The problem with today's generation is that they get awards not for their talent but for their popularity so because of that it boost their ego and tells them they are great. Can't really blame them though, gotta blame their fans. I adore a lot of newbies but only a very few i see as talented.
aymieluvsyu637
sarNie Adult
I would hope that anyone who is known as a veteran actor(ess) would know how to act. I still don't think some veterans can do so though, I won't be mentioning who because it would only make this thread goes downhill. Same with the "newbies" some have talent and some are a fail, but that's only my opinion.
I wouldn't blame the fans though because I am a huge Gun Napat fan and I vote for him to win awards all the time but it's not only because I like him that much it's because I truly thinks he is the best. But again it's only my opinion.
It's hard to group who's old and new so I tried my best. TOP 3 in random order. The parenthesis w/ numbers indicates the # of years they have been acting
Veterans Actors:
Ken (16+) / Anne (23+)
Aum (18+) / Aff (12+)
Ananda (17+) / Noon W (17+)
Newer Generation Actors:
Nadech (5+) / Yaya (7+)
Great (7+) / Matt (9+)
Mint Chalida (9+) / Mario Muarer (8+)
Then I'm torn because you only said 3.. I'm trying to pick 3 who is a good actor(ess) in my Book. Many will pop in my head like Janie T, Art Phasut, Chompoo, James Ma, Alex Rendall, Cee Siwat, Preem etc..
I wouldn't blame the fans though because I am a huge Gun Napat fan and I vote for him to win awards all the time but it's not only because I like him that much it's because I truly thinks he is the best. But again it's only my opinion.
It's hard to group who's old and new so I tried my best. TOP 3 in random order. The parenthesis w/ numbers indicates the # of years they have been acting
Veterans Actors:
Ken (16+) / Anne (23+)
Aum (18+) / Aff (12+)
Ananda (17+) / Noon W (17+)
Newer Generation Actors:
Nadech (5+) / Yaya (7+)
Great (7+) / Matt (9+)
Mint Chalida (9+) / Mario Muarer (8+)
Then I'm torn because you only said 3.. I'm trying to pick 3 who is a good actor(ess) in my Book. Many will pop in my head like Janie T, Art Phasut, Chompoo, James Ma, Alex Rendall, Cee Siwat, Preem etc..
Ncmeowmeow35
sarNie Oldmaid
I vote for Gun too because he can sing.
aymieluvsyu637
sarNie Adult
Ncmeowmeow35 said:
** High Five ** Newbies nowadays can't compare to the veterans because back then it based a lot on talent. Now, it based on looks and kookwan while talent takes the back seat. So, in a way, the standard is low. I can't get into more lakorns than I prefer because the actors/actresses lack the awareness of what the characters should be. Sometimes, they bring their off screen personality to the character, which that in itself they can't act. You transformed yourself once you pretend to be someone else.
I think back in the days, look was not the main focus. I have seen average N'eks but they can act circles around the pretty ones that is on screen now. I like to enjoy my lakorns without having to point out why they are bad. And after a while, I don't think I even care to anymore because it seemed like the norm as long as you are considered pretty or have a popular Kookwan (I kind of find it silly to be honest) but that's just me. Maybe, because I learned my lesson early when I used to shipped a couple early on...then I realized it was really in a sense a sad thing. Here I am spending time, hoping, wishing, thinking about wanting them to date but they were just good at acting and at the end, one married someone else the other is still single.
I think these are good ones...Willy, Aum and Ken T, (in his prime). Willy is a complete package, he has both talent and looks. Aum, is good especially when he plays the aggressive roles. When he is angry you can see the passion in his eyes...and he can look dangerous. And he can act with his eyes. Which, is considered one of the most important quality to me as an actor.
Actresses: Please, I don't even want to go there. All I see is...Pretty...blink...Pretty...stare...anyway, there isn't a whole lot to write home about when it comes to actresses. There's about 1-2 that I truly considered talented but yet they are so underrated because they don't have a kookwan. Yet they are thriving on their own.
I think back in the days, look was not the main focus. I have seen average N'eks but they can act circles around the pretty ones that is on screen now. I like to enjoy my lakorns without having to point out why they are bad. And after a while, I don't think I even care to anymore because it seemed like the norm as long as you are considered pretty or have a popular Kookwan (I kind of find it silly to be honest) but that's just me. Maybe, because I learned my lesson early when I used to shipped a couple early on...then I realized it was really in a sense a sad thing. Here I am spending time, hoping, wishing, thinking about wanting them to date
but they were just good at acting and at the end, one married someone else the other is still single.I think these are good ones...Willy, Aum and Ken T, (in his prime). Willy is a complete package, he has both talent and looks. Aum, is good especially when he plays the aggressive roles. When he is angry you can see the passion in his eyes...and he can look dangerous. And he can act with his eyes. Which, is considered one of the most important quality to me as an actor.
Actresses: Please, I don't even want to go there. All I see is...Pretty...blink...Pretty...stare...anyway, there isn't a whole lot to write home about when it comes to actresses. There's about 1-2 that I truly considered talented but yet they are so underrated because they don't have a kookwan. Yet they are thriving on their own.
Ncmeowmeow35
sarNie Oldmaid
byebye, what do you think about Pope? I want to see him with Matt.
@Meow35...
At first I thought the paring might work but now not so much. I think with Matt, the height is a problem and acting is another. I still don't think Great is even up to her level yet. But he is tall though, not by much. I think they are eye to eye. It is hard to pair her up, to where she is up to a guy's shoulder. I think, someone like Willy in size would match up the best.
Pope does well with light comedy roles. Something, where he doesn't take himself too seriously. Because like his good friend Great, Pope has a tendency to want to smile whenever he gets a chance. Like the lakorn with Jui and Ploy, they both overshadowed him. To me, he doesn't have that commanding attitude. He might be better than most newbies but Matt would still outshined him.
Fai Lang Fai will just prove how good she is. She's going to play 2 people. One bend on revenge the other a prostitute. I don't think she has a problem with being a straight up psycho N'ek...I want to see how she does with the other character.
At first I thought the paring might work but now not so much. I think with Matt, the height is a problem and acting is another. I still don't think Great is even up to her level yet. But he is tall though, not by much. I think they are eye to eye. It is hard to pair her up, to where she is up to a guy's shoulder. I think, someone like Willy in size would match up the best.
Pope does well with light comedy roles. Something, where he doesn't take himself too seriously. Because like his good friend Great, Pope has a tendency to want to smile whenever he gets a chance. Like the lakorn with Jui and Ploy, they both overshadowed him. To me, he doesn't have that commanding attitude. He might be better than most newbies but Matt would still outshined him.
Fai Lang Fai will just prove how good she is. She's going to play 2 people. One bend on revenge the other a prostitute. I don't think she has a problem with being a straight up psycho N'ek...I want to see how she does with the other character.
Well i dont think thai newbies are that bad, not to the 'cringeworthy' point. Kinda unfair to compare someone with 2-3 yrs experience with a veteran of 20-30yrs experience, tho im guilty of that sometimes. And 90% of thai actresses are pretty, so i dont think newbies are the only ones with a pretty face, the older generations are pretty too. I actually think aIot of older generations have more of a unique look, whereas some of the new ones look very similar to one another heh. I do agree newbies should be given minor roles first to help them develop and experience, 15-17yrs old as nek esp in a raeng lakorn just feel so wrong to me and so much pressure on them.
I think it's got more to do with the storylines itself before and now. Not only they become repetitive or majority are remakes, but more bothersome, storylines are lacking in substance and so heavily reliant on pranangs chemistry (which i think should only add flavours to a drama but not be the main focus of a great drama)
I think it's got more to do with the storylines itself before and now. Not only they become repetitive or majority are remakes, but more bothersome, storylines are lacking in substance and so heavily reliant on pranangs chemistry (which i think should only add flavours to a drama but not be the main focus of a great drama)
I think the title is a little misleading with the word "newbie" it should says, actresses/actors nowadays. And nowadays, there isn't much to talk about in general. More of it is based on looks and the popularity of a "couple" that can make an individual famous. A lot of fans overlooked the individuality performance because of the "shipping" aspect of it and factor in the pretty face, the acting part of it is lost somewhere along the line.
People like Mart and Bomb, how many chances do they get until some come to the realization they are not good with their craft. I am not comparing those that just started off cold feet getting a N'ek/Pra'eks roles. I give them at least 3-4 lakorns before I considered them not so good.
Let me try to list those I can think from the top of my head:
Matt
Mint C.
Bomb
Mart
Margie
Boy
Kim
Mark
Yaya
Nadech
These are the ones that pop to my head...I am sure there are more but too early in the morning to think of them....and honestly, 98% of them to me would have been stuck in supporting roles for a while. But most of them are pretty famous based on couples and other things. I agree, anyone starting out would need to be in supporting for a few years. No need to rush them until they show some serious potential. I think when they start out supporting, they have more to work for. They want that spot as N'ek or Pra'ek and they'll work harder for it and appreciate it. Instead, most are given N'ek and Pra'ek roles right off the bat so they don't have to sweat it and cruise through the whole thing knowing they have made it whether they deserve it or not.
And the ones I mentioned has more than 2-3 years experienced. And one in particular will not improve no matter the chances that are given. I will still say, the standards are low...acting has gotten to where it's not as important. And that is the unfortunate thing.
People like Mart and Bomb, how many chances do they get until some come to the realization they are not good with their craft. I am not comparing those that just started off cold feet getting a N'ek/Pra'eks roles. I give them at least 3-4 lakorns before I considered them not so good.
Let me try to list those I can think from the top of my head:
Matt
Mint C.
Bomb
Mart
Margie
Boy
Kim
Mark
Yaya
Nadech
These are the ones that pop to my head...I am sure there are more but too early in the morning to think of them....and honestly, 98% of them to me would have been stuck in supporting roles for a while. But most of them are pretty famous based on couples and other things. I agree, anyone starting out would need to be in supporting for a few years. No need to rush them until they show some serious potential. I think when they start out supporting, they have more to work for. They want that spot as N'ek or Pra'ek and they'll work harder for it and appreciate it. Instead, most are given N'ek and Pra'ek roles right off the bat so they don't have to sweat it and cruise through the whole thing knowing they have made it whether they deserve it or not.
And the ones I mentioned has more than 2-3 years experienced. And one in particular will not improve no matter the chances that are given. I will still say, the standards are low...acting has gotten to where it's not as important. And that is the unfortunate thing.
I don't think I will be around to watch lakorns by the next generation (so probably won't be comparing anyone by then) I will be too old to do so. And I am not sure if I would put too much stock in who is in who is out. It might have a lot to do with me as well, because back then I watched lakorns and lakorns only. I don't read about anything or know anything about their personal lives. Now, I read and see stuff so when they act stupid off screen it affects how I see them on screen. And in turn, they can't convince me in the roles they are playing.
I grew up watching starting from morundee era...didn't go beyond that. But the only thing I find hideous is the clothing and the hair, 80's hair was ridiculous. The acting didn't start out as bad to me. But that's just me, considering everyone thinks differently, I might be in the minority thinking actresses/actors now are not that of a quality ones
I grew up watching starting from morundee era...didn't go beyond that. But the only thing I find hideous is the clothing and the hair, 80's hair was ridiculous. The acting didn't start out as bad to me. But that's just me, considering everyone thinks differently, I might be in the minority thinking actresses/actors now are not that of a quality ones
Everyone starts off as a newbie and works their way in the hopes of becoming a good actor/actress. Some succeed and some don't. The main difference is in the reception. Nowadays, anyone can be a mediocre actor/actress but still be popular due to connections, koo kwan promotion or other random reasons. It's come to a point where the viewers have such low standards and expectations towards acting so even if there's a quality actor in front of them, they don't realize or acknowledge it, especially when they're over saturated by all these supposedly attractive people on screen. For me personally, actors of this generation don't have the same humbleness, classiness, versatility or ability that can be comparable to their seniors. I don't blame them but I guess the standards have changed over and the years and everything is going accordingly to that.
Tua Saranyu, Sam Yuranan, Willy McIntosh, and Wirayut Rotocha from the 1988 version of JLR are some of the best veteran actors in my book. As for the middle generation, Ken T. and Chakrit are the only ones who have impressed me. Aum is good, but he is only good in aggressive roles. His roles in Dao Kiang Duen and Maya Tawan were mediocre. He's not very convincing when he plays a gentleman or anything else. For the new generation, Weir, Toomtam, Es Kantapong, Rome, Porshe, Great, and Phet are good actors but not as advanced as the veterans that were mentioned. I know some may be reading that list and disagree, but please, with all bias aside, watch them and judge based on acting and not solely on appearance.
As for the veteran actresses, of course Anne is on top and still is on top. Lol. Mam Jintara is another person who is praiseworthy. Also Aom Phiyada. For the middle generation, there is only Noon Woranuch. As for the new generation, Matt Peranee, Sammy Punthita, Now Tisanart, Kwan, and Kimberley are the ones who have the most potential to lead the future ET when it comes to acting skills alone.
I feel like I'm forgetting some.
As for the veteran actresses, of course Anne is on top and still is on top. Lol. Mam Jintara is another person who is praiseworthy. Also Aom Phiyada. For the middle generation, there is only Noon Woranuch. As for the new generation, Matt Peranee, Sammy Punthita, Now Tisanart, Kwan, and Kimberley are the ones who have the most potential to lead the future ET when it comes to acting skills alone.
I feel like I'm forgetting some.
Ncmeowmeow35
sarNie Oldmaid
My go to veteran actress was always Mew. The new generation best are matt and Kwan. Kim is getting up there but not great yet. I feel in some scenes, her eyes are blank. The voice and body movements are there but the eyes are blank, sometime though, not all the time. She needs other roles beside the brattiness type for me to judge her full potential. I love many actresses like mew, vill, kim, patricia, now, and ect but most of them still lack here and there or a lot.
I think only Matt's acting is on a veteran level. Sammy is awesome too! She follows close behind. Now is very impressive. She's better than every Ch.3 newbie. Her expressions are on point and her voice is to die for. It's very soothing and it's not a screechy or annoying high pitched voice. This girl can act in circles. She can be sexy too which is shocking because she's so scrawny and cute. Her acting in Kularb Len Fai blew me away. Too bad she's underrated. Despite Kwan being my first obsession of the new generation, she still has a lot to improve on, such as her eye expressions and voice projection.
I am not a Mew Lalita admirer. Her acting doesn't charm me, but many think the same as you. I think it's just a difference of opinion.
I am not a Mew Lalita admirer. Her acting doesn't charm me, but many think the same as you. I think it's just a difference of opinion.
From the older generation, the actors that are on the top of my list are Likit Ekmongkol, Sam Yuranant and Willy Mcintosh. As for actresses; Mew Lalita and Ann Siriam. From the middle generation, Ken Theradeeth, Andrew Gregson, Nune Woranuch and Benz Pornchita. Sadly, I can't really name anyone from this generation that stands out aside from Matt Peeranee although there are some out there who have great potential. It'd be easier and more fair to judge the new generation if they all weren't repeatedly type-casted into the same roles.