Testimony of General Vang Pao in Hell

[population1]

Well, the way you write can be perceived as though you are mad or something and if I took it the wrong way I'm sorry but just because you are around or been with those Christians who are hypocritical doesn't mean it applies to all other Christians. Isn't that lens of yours too skeptical? I do understand that we humans are not perfect except Jesus Christ Himself. And if you have met some Christians who live their life to make you not want to seek God in good/bad times then that's just a bad experience you went through and I'm sorry if you did. Even myself use to think like you do but until I've come to realization that we are born as sinner and only through Jesus Christ that we can be cleanse and save. About making predictions of when Jesus Christ coming back is something we Christians should never do because He even teach about that we are not to listen nor believe in those who prophesied when He's coming back and no one knows when He's really coming back. On the other hand, there's no such thing as a prophecy in this time and age because that happens like 2000 yrs ago only. But let me tell you this, Christians who claim to be children of God and they choose to live their life not according to God's standard will have a bigger account of judgement than those that don't even know God.

The way I write? I've never came across such kind of judgment on how to write in order to sound accordingly to the emotion at hand. If anything, it's the use of terms (profanity), punctuation (exclamation mark) and the all-caps, bolds, and italics that signifies emotions. (And, emoticons).

I didn't say all Christians are hypocrites; I said many are. My lens see christianity as a load of fabricated, deluded rhetorics. I am not at all skeptical about "miracles" which are merely science in nature or attention seekers. The problem with Christians. If/when I hang out with them and they start preaching about god and start saying if I don't reach to god I will go to hell; forcing the subject onto to me; I'm going to take it as peer pressure, an attack onto my own beliefs, and I'm not going to like it/them and neither will anyone else in that situation. Religion should be of someone's choice, so stop forcing the subject of (christian) god onto others all the time. Don't try to persuade me by saying you used to think the way I do. I doubt you have the slightest idea. "We" (myself not included) are all born as sinners? Isn't that a lot of baggage to carry? But, it doesn't necessarily mean "we" are sinners. We are in control of ourselves whether we choose to do good or bad. God has no control over us nor does Jesus. If it is only through christ that any christians can be saved, then that is selfishness on Jesus's part, is it not? Prophecies and the like, it's all contradictions and or un-deliberate deceptions. There are so many cover-ups and versions which is a fiasco of confusion in christianity.

Don't talk to me like I've never seen some Christians who are hypocritical, in fact, I even know some. And of course we Christian who does thing for God should aim for making His name known and for His glories only and not unto our own glories. We Christians are the ones who suppose to go out into the ends of the world to reach the lost and lead them to Christ. In fact, 70-80 percent of Americans claiming they are Christians but yet only 3-6 percent are the ones who truly are working to build the Kingdom of God. Just because the people you met claimed themselves are Christian and not even living a different lives apart from the world then those are the one who will have to speak to God why they'd even do that. Like I say, who am I to judge when only there's one judge and that's God. We as Christians should and suppose to strive for a difference in the world as Jesus Christ did and not be of the world. If you saw that Christians are hypocritical, I'm not gonna stop you from thinking like that and I'm not gonna say some Christians are not like that because in reality many people use the name Christian to better themselves. And prayer, is suppose to be the key to a Christians' faith. Christians suppose to pray to God in times of good/bad not for our own sake, but His alone. Those who choose to pray to God when they need something and setting God aside when you need something is just plain cynical. All in all, arguments is not what i intended to happen or even go near it.

I can talk to you however I want to. It's that saying of yours and attitude that tells me you are still a narrow-minded child. And, I see you are also quick to judge under your assumptions. Speak for yourself.

In fact, Jesus was just a man who acquired valuable knowledge just like Buddha. His principles are really just of the common good. It were the crazed christians that started to craft his teachings into religious fundamentals in the christian books/bibles. The early practice of faith based healing is ridiculously shameful. Prejudice and discrimination were obviously shown toward non-christians. Jesus did not die on the cross, although he was crucified as punishment of a crime. Jesus was never resurrected from the dead. The gospels wanted followers. The church is practically an institution and in order to establish it and maintain it, followers were needed. Their were political involvements between church and state government, which the church had protection and support of some sort from the government. Church leaders were given their promotion or position based on the their, supposedly, encounter(s) with god or jesus. All in all, this is nothing but people wanting fame, glory, power, and riches.

So, now I take it I am a cynic. Well, at least I'm not deluded.

 

[smilealways06]

I can talk to you however I want to. It's that saying of yours and attitude that tells me you are still a narrow-minded child. And, I see you are also quick to judge under your assumptions. Speak for yourself.

In fact, Jesus was just a man who acquired valuable knowledge just like Buddha. His principles are really just of the common good. It were the crazed christians that started to craft his teachings into religious fundamentals in the christian books/bibles. The early practice of faith based healing is ridiculously shameful. Prejudice and discrimination were obviously shown toward non-christians. Jesus did not die on the cross, although he was crucified as punishment of a crime. Jesus was never resurrected from the dead. The gospels wanted followers. The church is practically an institution and in order to establish it and maintain it, followers were needed. Their were political involvements between church and state government, which the church had protection and support of some sort from the government. Church leaders were given their promotion or position based on the their, supposedly, encounter(s) with god or jesus. All in all, this is nothing but people wanting fame, glory, power, and riches.

So, now I take it I am a cynic. Well, at least I'm not deluded.

Of course if you say you can talk how ever you want to me since this is a freedom of speech country. But you saying I'm narrow minded? Aren't you fast to judge just because I can back up what I believe. How can you prove that Jesus didn't resurrected? Of course He died on the cross not because of a crime but because of hatred. Plus how can anyone compare Jesus to Buddha? Buddha was just a man who was raised to learned of the good things until he went out to experienced the bad things of the world and through those bad experienced he went to sit under a tree and learned of the things he experienced. Jesus on the other hand did so many miracles that people in those times and days hated Him, in fact even unto this time of age too, because He can do things that no human can do. Well, about you saying people wanting fame, glory, power, and riches then you are totally in the wrong boat. I guess you've definitely met some bogus Christian to make you believe that God and Christians are hypocrites? Surely, a human would not come to their senses and acknowledge God for who He is, until they are in their deepest pit. There are so many stories and lives out there that can prove who God is. Let me ask you these questions, do you believe in wind? Can you create something from nothing? Do you even believe there is Hell/Heaven? Do you believe in God? What's your relationship with God like? Do you believe in the Bible?

 

[population1]

Of course if you say you can talk how ever you want to me since this is a freedom of speech country. But you saying I'm narrow minded? Aren't you fast to judge just because I can back up what I believe. How can you prove that Jesus didn't resurrected? Of course He died on the cross not because of a crime but because of hatred. Plus how can anyone compare Jesus to Buddha? Buddha was just a man who was raised to learned of the good things until he went out to experienced the bad things of the world and through those bad experienced he went to sit under a tree and learned of the things he experienced. Jesus on the other hand did so many miracles that people in those times and days hated Him, in fact even unto this time of age too, because He can do things that no human can do. Well, about you saying people wanting fame, glory, power, and riches then you are totally in the wrong boat. I guess you've definitely met some bogus Christian to make you believe that God and Christians are hypocrites? Surely, a human would not come to their senses and acknowledge God for who He is, until they are in their deepest pit. There are so many stories and lives out there that can prove who God is. Let me ask you these questions, do you believe in wind? Can you create something from nothing? Do you even believe there is Hell/Heaven? Do you believe in God? What's your relationship with God like? Do you believe in the Bible?

Ah, the "if you can't beat him, copy him" approach, eh? A tactical way of dodging the situation. But, obviously, you are only catching the rebound of the ball here. I know how sensitive and easily offended christians are with the littlest things about christianity. I guess it's after all years of undelivered promises, the exaggeration is clearly showing in verbal tantrums. As I've said, Jesus was a human being whom was a subordinate of Buddhist teachings. The deepest pit is where god has placed many believers. Trials and tribulations are what they are, and devotion has a price. I believe there is wind. I can create something from something, but not from nothing. I don't believe in heaven nor hell. I believe in deities. I don't believe in the bible.

documentary on christianity

Buddha and Jesus

 

[smilealways06]

Ah, the "if you can't beat him, copy him" approach, eh? A tactical way of dodging the situation. But, obviously, you are only catching the rebound of the ball here. I know how sensitive and easily offended christians are with the littlest things about christianity. I guess it's after all years of undelivered promises, the exaggeration is clearly showing in verbal tantrums. As I've said, Jesus was a human being whom was a subordinate of Buddhist teachings. The deepest pit is where god has placed many believers. Trials and tribulations are what they are, and devotion has a price. I believe there is wind. I can create something from something, but not from nothing. I don't believe in heaven nor hell. I believe in deities. I don't believe in the bible.

documentary on christianity

Buddha and Jesus

Okay, since you claimed yourself a deist and understood there's
a Creator, what then are you to do with your guilt? Are you confident
that you can stand before a Holy God on your own merits? Thanks for sharing those videos but here's what I believe and only Jesus,
can be the one to save us.
His Name Is...
Why I Hate Religion, But Love Jesus
Glory
What Choice Will You Make?

 

[population1]

Okay, since you claimed yourself a deist and understood there's
a Creator, what then are you to do with your guilt? Are you confident
that you can stand before a Holy God on your own merits? Thanks for sharing those videos but here's what I believe and only Jesus,
can be the one to save us.

You are wrong here because I am not claiming to be "deist". You christians label everyone don't you? Your questions are rhetorical, and I believe I don't have common grounds with you to provide you with the answer you want from me. Your holy god doesn't apply where I stand. Only to you christians. I deal with guilt ethically, not religiously, in conventional or modern ways in compliance with the law of the land. Having said that, I find it more resourceful to rely on ethical theories and judicial law, which someone like you, maybe a theological person, follows strictly the divine command theory, may not understand. It's a philosophical standpoint, rather than a religious one for me. Again, don't push the subject of christianity onto others like myself. You know, it's that "only jesus can save us" mentality that actually drives many christians nuts. Look at child molestation, for one. Even christian followers will not get away from the law. It's not hard to believe christianity have criminal history documented since the crucifixion of rebellious, law evading christians against the Roman empire. Not surprisingly, there are many christian advocate nut cases out there. Look at zeitgeist or illuminati -- these are full-blown religious advocates who carries out acts of violence, war, and the like, consisting of christianity itself, only so they can get some attention or a historical place all because the bible said so, even though, the bible cannot be proven. These people are acting it all out. It's all staged, and many people, who are informed, are aware of this.

Madalyn Murry O'Hair cases shows threats and attacks by christians. I mean these were christians whose suppose to practice nonviolent ways.
documentary of issues within christianity shows the wars among christians, from human sacrifice to a zionist nation.
unpopular bible teachings this youtube channel presents some video which dissects and uncover some of the untouched and overlooked parts of the bible as well as some heated debates.

I believe those are conclusive materials. And, it couldn't be more clearer that there is selfishness with the real motives of a one world under one religion, zionists controlled in christianity. So why all the wars and brutal killings and mass murders between christians, jews, muslims, and the like? It's all religious war driven. Those acts and the teachings of the bible literally instills fear to people; it is planting a psychological dependency into people's minds onto the reliance of christianity alone. You can imagine the "there is no hope", "there is no other way" impression on the take of many people. It's an indirect force, and it works perfectly as long as it sells. But, there is more history and politics at work than faith and beliefs in christianity. Wouldn't you have arrived to something like this? Wouldn't you have questioned your own religion? Just a quick follow up on the video that Jesus was a monk, did that not raise the question of his faith in god? Since, he would've converted from Christianity to Buddhism; and notice how there were no mention of Jesus serving or holding a position in any churches? Notice how very little, vague references were put together with huge time gaps apart or that are randomly spaced out?

And, still having to stress the growing number of issues with adolescence within many christian communities where those kids engage in disgusting sexual displays in public places, having unsafe sex, experiment with drugs, lie, cheat, use, etc. where are the parents? What are they doing? I personally do not care because it's not my problem. Not my business, and definitely not favorable. Take a country like south korea, for example, which is a highly converted into christianity, and look at how their culture is turning out; it's very sexualized and materialized. Now, look at the porn industry; one would think their are a number of christians. In fact, the jewish started the circumcision of male/female genitals. Obviously, the intention of it is to stimulate heightened, prolong sexual activities.

If you understand the cycle of life, nature, and causality; that's basically the explanation which will provide clues and answers. I am immune to christianity and its god and satan. I follow my own beliefs of righteousness and good deeds. Therefore, I am not a slave to christianity. Almost everything christian based, I don't believe in; such as, I don't believe in the after life, I don't believe in a holy god, I don't believe in satan, etc. That should answer most, if not all, of your questions; despite your repugnance.

 

[population1]

His Name Is...
Why I Hate Religion, But Love Jesus
Glory
What Choice Will You Make?

Sorry to say, those are not credible sources or even worth watching. I mean, those are based on someone's own personal testimony and worship and beliefs as through his/her interpretations.

If christianity is what makes some people happy, joyful, playful, feel better about themselves and others, etc. then it is a helpful way to cope with life. For others, it may not. Whatever helps.

 

[cecilia]

hahaha .. it was a funny story - god or no god, we just have to believe in ourselves and respect what we believe - I feel people are entitled to believe what they want to believe b/c religion shouldn't be force or persuade to embedded into someone's head. This guy is ridiculing his own belief by putting other ppl's religion down - sound like another testimony where i heard ppl who are christian converting back to old religion (speaking of old and new - christian sounds like an invented religion b/c it did not exist with our great-great-great ancestor. This should tell ppl something about religion - what to believe and what not) If we base things on miracles - "Every religion has its share of miracles, magical events that seem surreal and otherworldly, preserved forever in centuries-old religious texts." (~Neha Limaye, Duke University student's paper)

The way I write? I've never came across such kind of judgment on how to write in order to sound accordingly to the emotion at hand. If anything, it's the use of terms (profanity), punctuation (exclamation mark) and the all-caps, bolds, and italics that signifies emotions. (And, emoticons).

I didn't say all Christians are hypocrites; I said many are. My lens see christianity as a load of fabricated, deluded rhetorics. I am not at all skeptical about "miracles" which are merely science in nature or attention seekers. The problem with Christians. If/when I hang out with them and they start preaching about god and start saying if I don't reach to god I will go to hell; forcing the subject onto to me; I'm going to take it as peer pressure, an attack onto my own beliefs, and I'm not going to like it/them and neither will anyone else in that situation. Religion should be of someone's choice, so stop forcing the subject of (christian) god onto others all the time. Don't try to persuade me by saying you used to think the way I do. I doubt you have the slightest idea. "We" (myself not included) are all born as sinners? Isn't that a lot of baggage to carry? But, it doesn't necessarily mean "we" are sinners. We are in control of ourselves whether we choose to do good or bad. God has no control over us nor does Jesus. If it is only through christ that any christians can be saved, then that is selfishness on Jesus's part, is it not? Prophecies and the like, it's all contradictions and or un-deliberate deceptions. There are so many cover-ups and versions which is a fiasco of confusion in christianity.



I can talk to you however I want to. It's that saying of yours and attitude that tells me you are still a narrow-minded child. And, I see you are also quick to judge under your assumptions. Speak for yourself.

In fact, Jesus was just a man who acquired valuable knowledge just like Buddha. His principles are really just of the common good. It were the crazed christians that started to craft his teachings into religious fundamentals in the christian books/bibles. The early practice of faith based healing is ridiculously shameful. Prejudice and discrimination were obviously shown toward non-christians. Jesus did not die on the cross, although he was crucified as punishment of a crime. Jesus was never resurrected from the dead. The gospels wanted followers. The church is practically an institution and in order to establish it and maintain it, followers were needed. Their were political involvements between church and state government, which the church had protection and support of some sort from the government. Church leaders were given their promotion or position based on the their, supposedly, encounter(s) with god or jesus. All in all, this is nothing but people wanting fame, glory, power, and riches.

So, now I take it I am a cynic. Well, at least I'm not deluded.

You echo my thought - This is how i see it as well - Religion is a choice.

With all due respect to GVP and all the hmong people and including everyone in here...what you say is totally true about GVP helping his people out and killing those who try to killed them is just a defense but about what this guy says about people ending up in hell is really true. I don't know if GVP ever did a sinner's prayer and who am I to judge? But if you believe and have a relationship with God, then the word of God is true, for everyone who don't believe in His Son Jesus Christ will not enter the Kingdom of Heaven. What this guy says about hell and many people entering it is true, for the way to Heaven is narrow and the way to Hell is wide. I respect and honor GVP for being the key and bridge to help all the hmong people to America. The way this young man describe his experienced in Hell can really be fake but if you are a believer you should know that Hell exist for Satan and his angels and for those who don't have a relationship with Jesus Christ only. Not trying to offend anyone in anyway, but there are many, many people who entered Hell and came back to life to spread the news that time is running out and those who hasn't come to know Jesus Christ as their personal Lord and Savior, ought to do it when they hear the message. For when we choose to wait until it's the right time, it can be too late. For I once read that if you wait for the right time to do something, that time will soon be gone if you wait too long. Honestly we were born to have a free will to choose what we want to believe and what we want to do in our lives so like this young man it's up to you to believe in what he saw or not.

Honestly, this sounds like a theory that has no proof to it .. We describe a perfect picture or tell someone the road to heaven and hell looks like to make other believe what we see is true. In another word, almost all religious people has this in their head. Ppl who are non-believer painted an opposite life of their in heaven and hell too - all in all, it sounds like we're trying to sell someone something here by saying that our products is better than their b/c it's soft and comfy. It sounds like a salesman is coming at my door. Why should I buy this new product when I already have a good and healthy one in my house? hmm ... this could be why some religion sounds a big bogus when we see missionary ppl go around, promoting it. (In contrast to this, we don't see shaman parading around, trying to convert other or to even think about 'promoting' it.) Religion really should just be made by choice - not force.

I don't believe in God as I feel everything that has happened to me is due to my actions. God was not there to help when i'm at my lowest nor highest peak. I did it and accomplished all of it with my very own sweat and determination - if anything, my parent are my god, they gave birth to me, they taught me my morals and ethics, they protected me from harm, showed me the love and respect I deserved, and continue to support me regardless what I plan to do so looking at all these aspects of 'traits' they're the one who should be my god!

 

[smilealways06]

Sorry to say, those are not credible sources or even worth watching. I mean, those are based on someone's own personal testimony and worship and beliefs as through his/her interpretations.

If christianity is what makes some people happy, joyful, playful, feel better about themselves and others, etc. then it is a helpful way to cope with life. For others, it may not. Whatever helps.

Well, to end this conversation with you, in all, I'm thankful to have such great conversation with you, but everything I say is not an intention to convert you to what I believe, but to just simply tell you what my belief is only. If you think I’m trying to push my religion/beliefs to you then that’s up to you not me, for I have no control on whatsoever people want to believe. The greatest truth anyone will ever know is that God not only exists, but that He loves us and wants to come into our lives and change us. And this can happen to anyone, as they face honestly who Jesus is and what He can do in their life. In fact, don't go through life with a closed mind. Instead, I challenge you to ask God to show you not only if He exists, but also if Jesus is worthy of your commitment.

 

[population1]

Well, to end this conversation with you, in all, I'm thankful to have such great conversation with you, but everything I say is not an intention to convert you to what I believe, but to just simply tell you what my belief is only. If you think I’m trying to push my religion/beliefs to you then that’s up to you not me, for I have no control on whatsoever people want to believe. The greatest truth anyone will ever know is that God not only exists, but that He loves us and wants to come into our lives and change us. And this can happen to anyone, as they face honestly who Jesus is and what He can do in their life.

Your intention is an in-deliberate one miss, whether you are denying it or not. I understand, you are only telling me your belief, but had you not used universal words and concepts such as 'we' 'ours' and the like, I wouldn't have thought you were trying to push your beliefs onto me. However, it does sound like you were/are pushing your beliefs; and it shows greatly because you can admit, to yourself, that you are trying to persuade the power of your religion over everyone and everything. Again, there you go asking me to challenge god/jesus. Again, you are telling me to cast aside my own beliefs and put myself in christianity. But, you aren't pushing your beliefs? Apparently, you are. Now, what if I asked you to do the same which is to praise in a non-christian religion? I am sure you would feel objected and or offended, right?

In fact, don't go through life with a closed mind. Instead, I challenge you to ask God to show you not only if He exists, but also if Jesus is worthy of your commitment.

What's there to challenge when there's nothing there? You should be telling yourself these things.

What you need is a little critical thinking and self-analysis to do. For example, let's go with the percentages of christians in the U.S. alone, which is something like 78.4+%. That's over 2/3 of the U.S. However, if christianity is absolutely pure and divine, wouldn't that make the U.S. a paradise in heaven? Apparently, the U.S. is one of the worst country in the world. Even other countries with a leading percentage of christians are corrupted. With all those leading percentages of christians in many nations, it is still not enough? Even if everyone in the world has converted to christianity, it wouldn't be any good. So you see, my point is, is christianity as pure and divine as christians say? My answer is, no.

 

[memelee]

He fainted and went to hell. -.-

too hilarious.

 

[cecilia]

too hilarious.

I couldn't agree more

There's one too many funny things happening today and that comment is one of it lmao

 

[bakaPX]

too hilarious.

Lol. Ikr. I'd expect something more dramatic. :coverlaf:

 

[p. Zoua]

Careful guys. Complaining is against the Bible and is therefore a sin. My GODLY no longer friend said so.

 

[stephanie]

im christian and im totally thing "wtf???" lmao

 

[bakaPX]

Careful guys. Complaining is against the Bible and is therefore a sin. My GODLY no longer friend said so.

Rofl. Gotta love the bible though. It's a good source of entertainment xD

 

[ceda_lee]

Haha. Why isn't this thread close already?

 

[vanggirlie]

Lol I figured it was gonna be religious thing. Everyone has their own beliefs so what can anyone say. He'll believe in his own way and others in their way no matter what anyone says. Lol and I bet gvp would go to hell only because of the bad stuff he did. To be a hmoob nom in gvp days you've got to have done as much bad as good if not more. Well whether he goes to he'll or heaven he'll get another chance at life when he is reincarnated. That's his belief so I think that is where his spirit is going. Like my mom says don't worry about others soul but your own. Whatever you believe, whether is old ways or new way, your soul/spirit will follow the way you believe. Stop worrying about others and be a good person and opened minded, try to respect others beliefs.

 

[cecilia]

^yog lawm !!!

 

[p. Zoua]

Ditto. What Vanggirlie says.

But heck sometimes peeps just step outta the line and rub it in other peoples face too much..

 

[candi]

:yuck: