[Ch3] Bpoop Phaeh Saniwaat (Broadcast Thai) : Pope Thanawat / Bella Ranee

Rosi2

Samee's wifey #42
Is this lakorn against Christianity, if so why?
I don't think it's so; I'm sure it's never meant to be that way. If we are speaking on the basis of this story, Thailand is right off the bat mostly Buddhists I think? And the King too. So for Constantine to come in & meddle (the French being of the other faith of course would like their friendlies to be of the same lines, that's only natural, even missionaries do this) and likely find a way for the King to embrace Christianity; which he might have been able to do caused the others to rile up. Constantine promised dealing with the French would give trade & diplomatic ties & other stuff between the 2 countries but when the first French guests arrived they were only interested in having them converted. Lucky thing the King was smart to give a very vague diplomatic answer because the way he was with the Court poet I was afraid he would have been easily won over!!! What the other nobles didn't like is that Constantine is not Thai but how he played the ignorant Kosa Lek (until leading to his death), led him being in total favour of the King. His wife also said he's actually got no respect for any kind of religion, but because the King is so close to being his puppet he might do as his favourite guy tells him to do. But I also think the King does have one last grace, he actually can see the wood from the trees, he told Constantine if he ever converted (I guess he meant to suck up that far) then he won't like him anymore.

Whew!! Long read huhh? Sorry....
 

geestory

sarNie Hatchling
Just finished ep 13 and I feel like I just got off a roller coaster of emotions. Cried within the first 10 mins when Kade was sleepwalking and saw her mom & grandmother...happiness when Por Date came back...had my heart racing when Por Date was whispering sweet words into Kade's ear...laughter when Joi's comedic expressions...then I started bawling my eyes out when Reungrit showed up on the wheelchair...PJ is really an amazing actor. My tears cannot stop flowing
 

xodxo

Trapped in MueyxTian's World! ❤️
Haha he wasn't even close to a second fiddle in Khun Chai Puttipatt, didn't think he'd rise damn fast in the ranks this way!! His role was a bit of a nerd there, but I guess the directors took note how stunning he looked in a neat suit when he played escort to Bella's character to a party (protecting her from the lecherous General). But the others shouldn't take heart about the number of Instagram followers; even the most ardent fans don't often want to join instagram. Most times beauty is often worshipped from afar.
Lol I have never really heard of him til this lakorn too haha and then just know he’s BAD guy in KF :p
 

xodxo

Trapped in MueyxTian's World! ❤️
I noticed him in other lakorns but he didnt start to look hella good until Bangrajun.
Wow he’s in there too?!? Lol I started it, ep1 but haven’t made time to finish! I need motivation! Lol :p

I still haven’t seen ep13 or 14 from today. I’m gonna chime in after I see them ahhhaahhhah what can I say? I love reading comments more than the episodes right now 55 :p
 

YingSheng

sarNie Juvenile
I do not think that this lakorn had the attention to "dislike" Christianity. History is history, there are a lot of things that happened or a part of other countries history. It just depends on the person who is watching to conclude how they feel about history being told. What I am trying to say is that, this lakorn time and place setting is at that time of the history; and since I do not know Thai history I would stay open mind because being sensitive at whats being told in history will not change history.
 

yellowgreen123

looking for light, reaching out for hope...
I don't think it's so; I'm sure it's never meant to be that way. If we are speaking on the basis of this story, Thailand is right off the bat mostly Buddhists I think? And the King too. So for Constantine to come in & meddle (the French being of the other faith of course would like their friendlies to be of the same lines, that's only natural, even missionaries do this) and likely find a way for the King to embrace Christianity; which he might have been able to do caused the others to rile up. Constantine promised dealing with the French would give trade & diplomatic ties & other stuff between the 2 countries but when the first French guests arrived they were only interested in having them converted. Lucky thing the King was smart to give a very vague diplomatic answer because the way he was with the Court poet I was afraid he would have been easily won over!!! What the other nobles didn't like is that Constantine is not Thai but how he played the ignorant Kosa Lek (until leading to his death), led him being in total favour of the King. His wife also said he's actually got no respect for any kind of religion, but because the King is so close to being his puppet he might do as his favourite guy tells him to do. But I also think the King does have one last grace, he actually can see the wood from the trees, he told Constantine if he ever converted (I guess he meant to suck up that far) then he won't like him anymore.

Whew!! Long read huhh? Sorry....
Thanks.
 

phatman

POPE's #1 MIA LUANG
And now I have to go through 438 comments. Hahaha.

Sucks though because I can't watch 8/9 and 9/9 yet since they're fixing some subs. Grrr. Haha.
 

phatman

POPE's #1 MIA LUANG
I was a mess after I watched the episode live yesterday.....and I still cried after watching it again with subs. This episode was an emotional roller coaster....but so satisfying.....if that makes any sense....
The romance in this show is mostly limited to looks and swoony sniffs....lol....a bit of touching(although seems more progress in upcoming episode;)) but its still leaves you breathless....every scene of Date and Kade flirting leaves me a bit flushed and a big smile on my face. I'm soooo excited about today...Date is already saying naughty stuff in the previews....so it seems these two will finally go beyond sniffing and blushing.:naughty2:

One thing I wanted to write about since the start of the show was use of the name Krshna-Kali. I had read very different spellings of the mantra name so was not sure but I was right and the pronunciation did sound like Krshna-Kali....So I'll share with you guys where the name comes from.
It's actually not one but two names joined together.....The two are names of very powerful God and Goddess in Hindu mythology...Lord Krshna is the God of Peace, Compassion, Love, Righteousness and Goddess Kali is called the destroyer of evil, She is also called mother of the universe as She has the power to create and destroy.......She was/is worshiped by warrior clans who pray to her before going to war...These two deities have only one thing in common....Their names have a similar meaning...somewhat.....The Dark One/Black One. Maybe that's why the writer chose this name...who knows....:confused12:

I also know now why Date was dressed in Hindu priest outfit....it was coz they were invoking a Hindu High God Shiva during the ritual. The Ling (Idol representation), the conch, the small drum (called dumroo) clothes, the rudraksha necklaces and armlets are all associated with Lord Shiva husband/consort to Goddess Kali.....It is said that when Goddess Kali looses her temper she can destroy the world and the only one who can placate her is Lord Shiva.

I did find two things that bothered me.....I think they needed to do a bit more research on that ritual scene as it was an important scene....and you can easily find stuff about this on google...so it wouldn't have taken much effort.
First... Date put in the offerings in the consecrating fire with his left hand :facepalm:...VERY BIG no no...another....after that Date went and sat with his back to the havan kund....the consecrating fire. :facepalm:....You NEVER, EVER sit with your back to the consecrating fire...its a sacred fire and you are putting offerings in it to appease the God...you need to sit facing it....or beside it....Even if date was not putting the offerings after the first time he still needed to sit beside it and continue worshiping the idol placed in the front without putting his back to the fire. Usually the fire is placed in the center of the room so that everyone can sit around it ...facing the fire....you can also put it at the front of the room...and everyone can still face it.
Even though I was disappointed by these oversights, I still liked the overall effect of the scene.....and one small thing I noticed and appreciated very much was that Date's dad handled the mantra book correctly....placed between his thumb and fore finger...without pinching it.....touched it to the forehead before handing it over. :thumbup:
Very informative! Thankyou!!
 
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