jeanie1 said:
And I would have more respect for Pat if that's the reason she gave for walking away from Pope or that's her problem with Pope. But no. She clearly says her problem with him is that he doesn't trust her. That's true but she doesn't trust him either so she can't complain. She herself is the reason why he can't trust her because she isn't trustwrorthy but she's too high and mighty on herself to see that.
As for putting family first and loyalty? Nope. Pat is not putting Pim first. She's putting her obsession with paying debt from childhood first. She's just too weak and cowardly to stand up for what's right and to be able to do the right thing FOR Pim. Right now if Pim were to succeed in killing Pope, Pat would be partly responsible too. She's also partly responsible for Pim getting her spoiler ending. Imagine if Pat had intervened in the right way and got Pim the help she needed or stopped Pim from going too far in her crimes? It'd be different if Pat tried to stop Pim and she still made her choices but Pat isn't even trying to stop her.
Pat is totally the type of person that if Pim were a drug addict, Pat would go out and buy heroin for her sister. How is that helpful? That's contributing to the problem. That's not real love or loyalty in my book. Real love is trying to help the person out the right way even if they end up hating you for it. So no, I don't see how letting Pim commit crimes left and right is helping Pim at all, nor is it a sign of love to aid them in their downfall. Putting family first to me would be letting yourself be labeled "disloyal" if it meant your sister was getting the help she needed or she couldn't create any more sins.
So I guess I'm obviously the minority here with my viewa? Like I said before, i am not saying that she is right, covering for Pim is obviously not right. I am just saying that I can understand why she is doing what she's doing. I don't believe the world is just black and white. At this point, it would be quite shallow for Pat to say to Pope, "I'm mad at you because of what you did to me on the island." I think what Pat is pointing out is the fundamental proboem of their relationship now, and it's trust. If Pope had approached this differently, if he is not so ...shall we say "violent",Pat might be able to, or more willingly open up to Pope. There are two things here that one must understand from the view of Pat, 1. She believes without Pim, she would not be alive. Thats a HUGE thing, being told again and again since childhood that you owe your life to someone can really have an affect on you and your decisions, and she's carrying a huge burden. Pat is obviously under that influence, and making her decisions based on that. Can we say she's dumb and stupid? I don't think so, i think she's made the decision that she sees fit in this situation. May seem wrong to us, but we r not in her shoes.
The second point is that she loves Pope. That is why everytime Pope gets jealous and uses words and actions to hurt her, she is deeply in pain. It's like being in a relationship with an abusive partner, jsut because he says he loves you, is it ok to endure everything that is wrong in the relationship as well? I think when people say "she's too stupid to too loyal towards her sister", I would say she would be too stupid and loyal towards to very jealous Pope if she unconditionally just gives into the relationship now. I think now, it makes sense for them to split for a while, for Pat to understand her sister's true colors and for Pope to change his approach on her.
Ok, this was longer than I expected, but i thinK a good movie/show/art always generate good conversations