Why Sarnies' Girls / Women want to vote for McCain/Palin ?

[chubs]

so ning.. remember dyno's comment on how he said something like if he put in more tax money then he should get more voice ect ect.. or something like that.. and you said that shouldn't be the case.. and ask why he should have more voice just because he put in more money... well that can be ask back.. why should he put in more money just because he made more? because he can? cus he can afford it?


see this whole concept doesn't sit well to people who have to fork out more.. and yes, if you make more you'd be tax more.. but will you be making 250+?.. and when you make that much, will you be mad at this tax proposal? it's a hard question to answer if you're not in that situation.. luckily i am not in that situation.. but someone very close to me will be <_<


but whatever.. i do believe that if obama is elected.. lol it'll take some time or maybe his second term to make it into law.. so maybe it wont happen.. talk is easy.. but doing it is hard..



but anyways.. people are now going around asking.. if the tax really happens.. will people get laid off to save those rich people who do own companies money? like example martha steward.. the lady is worth what? millions or billions.. so if and when her tax get raised, will she downsize to save money? rich people just dont get rich by being dumb.. they'll find a way to get those money back.. company merging are great examples.. always always a laid off after mergers.. so bottom line, the lower people get the short end of the stick regardless...

 

[thai-lakorn-fan-forever]

you didn't get the concept of it ning.. the guy was a begger and the other guy did make more money.. the bottom line was distribution of wealth..because the server was wealthier then the begger in terms of financial... he may not make 250,000 but compared to the begger he made banks..


see this is what i dont get. you believe that not a lot of people are making 250,000 so you believe it's OK for them to share their profits? it's ok because they are the minority.. that's total socialism.. and another thing.. it is sad to think that rich people don't work their ass off just because they aren't doing hard labor...


but whatevers.. only a couple of more days... i already turned in my vote yesterday..

exactly...i agree with you on the aspect that those who make 250,000+ work just as hard as everyone else, perhaps even moreso...but the work is just concentrated and generated another way as opposed to physical labor, etc...also, in the U.S. the percentage of those who make 250,000+ is not minor...plenty of people make that much, and today, a salary of 250,000 is not "rich"...the percentage of those who have total assets worth $1 million + is always increasing...1 million isn't extremely rich anymore, and in future years, numerous individuals will have a net worth of at least that much...so my point is that those with an income of 250,000 are by no means the minority...obama is so headed towards socialism, which has never succeeded positively whereever it has been attempted...

Sarah Palin hang in effigy

The cops say if this had been done to Barack Obama, it would be a hate crime. Double standard? Or reasonable distinction?

For those of us who fear a socialist and radical president, this interview is positively chilling.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkpdNtTgQNM

this would have been a major controversy and uproar had it been obama...

 

[iluvnumandoil]

When Sarah Palin did interviews with Charles Gibson and Katie Couric - the left praised those "journalists" for asking her tough questions and putting her on the spot.

But God forbid that someone in the media should ask tough questions of Obama or Biden. This weekend, Biden did an interview with an Orlando TV station. These five minute satellite interviews on local TV are generally nothing but softball questions so the stations can run promos touting their big "get" of an interview.

But, this time, Biden was grilled by anchor Barbara West. The results were hilarious:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X346U109Chs

Did Barbara West go too far? She was a bit over the top - but a lot of us do think Obama is going to move America more toward socialism than any president ever. Was there anything wrong with the questions she asked Biden? Biden was so upset by the interview, the campaign cancelled a scheduled interview the station had arranged with his wife Jill. And the Obama campaign said they would have nothing more to do with that station before election day.

And, if you need any more evidence of why many people question the direction in which Obama wants to take this country - this interview that Obama did in 2001 with Chicago Public Radio surfaced this weekend. In it, Obama talked about one of the "tragedies" of the civil rights movement is that it didn't break through the "constraints...in the constitution" to bring about "redistributive change" in America.

link on previous post

obama "tax cuts"

 

[noungning]

so ning.. remember dyno's comment on how he said something like if he put in more tax money then he should get more voice ect ect.. or something like that.. and you said that shouldn't be the case.. and ask why he should have more voice just because he put in more money... well that can be ask back.. why should he put in more money just because he made more? because he can? cus he can afford it?


see this whole concept doesn't sit well to people who have to fork out more.. and yes, if you make more you'd be tax more.. but will you be making 250+?.. and when you make that much, will you be mad at this tax proposal? it's a hard question to answer if you're not in that situation.. luckily i am not in that situation.. but someone very close to me will be <_<


but whatever.. i do believe that if obama is elected.. lol it'll take some time or maybe his second term to make it into law.. so maybe it wont happen.. talk is easy.. but doing it is hard..



but anyways.. people are now going around asking.. if the tax really happens.. will people get laid off to save those rich people who do own companies money? like example martha steward.. the lady is worth what? millions or billions.. so if and when her tax get raised, will she downsize to save money? rich people just dont get rich by being dumb.. they'll find a way to get those money back.. company merging are great examples.. always always a laid off after mergers.. so bottom line, the lower people get the short end of the stick regardless...

seems the more we get into this, it meets back at the same point and we'd answer the same things over and over again.

i don't really intend for it to come off as, "he should because he can", but that's how taxes work? u are taxed a certain portion because u make that certain portion + X. had u made $0, i guess it's unreasonable to be taxed. and the reason i say i'm not trying to come off like this is because i don't think it's right for all of us to be taxed, but there has to be some kind of medium... like i said, if middle-lower class working people are taxed "heavily" [in their perspective], wouldn't it only be fair that the higher income workers experience the same hardship? you've only asked for me to put myself in the $250,000+ individual's shoes, but do you try to understand those in your own shoes?

this is something that just rang in my mind... i'm thinking of someone who considers himself as "the bread & butter/meat & potatoes" maker for the house. and sorta can see it in your comparison... let's say, i have a husband, he's a network analyst that has been in the field for 20 years, he's making about $300,000 for his consultation worldwide. he's the one making the majority of the money, so we're concerned for our well being because he's so heavily taxed...the money we can use to save in the bank, use for investments, bill payments, leisure expenses and etc. however, i, on the other hand, am just an office manager, making less than a quarter of his salary. in comparison, i'm just a worthless addition because what i bring in is just enough to pay for food and our family's recurring expenses, basically chump change... so in that case, it'd be harder for saving and investing, and live in viable means because the overall economy is slumping.

of course any set of change takes ages, we should all realize that by now. and i don't expect januaray 1, 2009 to be the day where money falls from the sky and oceans filled with golden coins... it's not going to happen. however it turns out, it'd be sure interesting to see how worst this country can possibly get. isn't it something to witness history in the making?

lol, this question has actually been brought up amongst my friend and i regarding downsizing. it's a double edge sword, those big corporations that are being heavily taxed are now faced with a budget crunch. it fulfills the need for the government, but how can it fulfill the work market's needs? and i think this is where the job proposals are debated. for example companies hiring are getting tax credits, those that stop the outsourcing and brings more jobs will be assisted by the government. in my perspective, this proposal will be very hard to swallow because the fact is almost all labor intensive factory jobs for non-educated residents and citizens are now obsolete because it's all been outsourced. if what was proposed is to begin right away, it might even take some time for the transfer from the 3rd world country to USA employees as before to start. with the job crisis almost as bad as the financial crisis, there needs to be a major transformation. we can only hope and take chances in order for the hope to have a positive outcome.

but i'm sure that once the economy is stimulated [when they get a sense of financial security], more jobs will be created. it's just one big circle, one thing is always dependent upon another.

 

[chubs]

exactly...i agree with you on the aspect that those who make 250,000+ work just as hard as everyone else, perhaps even moreso...but the work is just concentrated and generated another way as opposed to physical labor, etc...also, in the U.S. the percentage of those who make 250,000+ is not minor...plenty of people make that much, and today, a salary of 250,000 is not "rich"...the percentage of those who have total assets worth $1 million + is always increasing...1 million isn't extremely rich anymore, and in future years, numerous individuals will have a net worth of at least that much...so my point is that those with an income of 250,000 are by no means the minority...obama is so headed towards socialism, which has never succeeded positively whereever it has been attempted...

most people dont think about the future thai-lakorn-fan-forever.. they just think about the now.. today they're not making 250k.. today they aren't selling their houses.. it's not today.. they forgot about the future.. they forgot that in the future housing market will go back up.. in the future they may sell their houses.. in the future they may be making that 250k (and if you live in cali or nyc, your house will be worth at least that much)... when that day comes.. they wont like it and they may be even louder with their complaints then we are right now.. i'm loud because today i am at that situation already.. sure i'm not making 250k in my work salary.. but i am a trustee.. my properties combine are more then 250k..(whether i am stupid enough to sell it or not is not the problem.. the problem is that in the future i will be tax on capital gain).. my investments combine are worth more then 250k.. my fiance makes roughly that much.. and not to mention his assets and what not... so yeah we'll be affected.. it's easy to argue when you're not on the edge of that fire.. it's easy to argue when you live in a state that has different standard of living.. i mean think about it.. 250k salary in cali is equal to what in let say kansas? but yet the cali guy who is making that much will be tax higher cus it's 250k. yet the kansas guy will not cus it's not the number 250...

as for the middle class.. anyone who live paycheck to paycheck will feel the heavy burden of any tax.. big or small.. just that "rich" people don't feel it as much cus they are rich and yes they can afford it...

socialism.. it's not fair until everyone is equally poor or equally rich..

and it's quite funny when obama told the story of how when he was young he broke half a sandwich and gave it to a class mate .. he called it sharing.. called it redistribution.. i call it sharing of your own free will.. so some people dont want to share.. get it?


well whatever.. in a sense i do want him to win.. cus he goes back on his word soo much that i do want to see how he will keep this promises... how he will change this nation.. i'm just going to have to hold back on my new car and donating to darv in case the tax really do happen

 

[Maya_Fantasy]

and it's quite funny when obama told the story of how when he was young he broke half a sandwich and gave it to a class mate .. he called it sharing.. called it redistribution.. i call it sharing of your own free will.. so some people dont want to share.. get it?

That above statement is quite funny. Let me tell my story too. When I was in school I shared lunch with friends and classmate all the time, now that I'm working I shares with some of my co-workers as well. ^_^ But no, I wouldn't want to share with the whole company It's funny to hear Obama said that, because he talk as if he is the only one doing the sharing in this World. :loool:

The rich makes more money, but they also have alot more expense as well. So any change or shift in balance they will face same problem as everyone else. Just because you're rich does not mean you can afford everything at once. You still have to save toward that goal same as everyone else. This is also some of the reason why some of them file bankruptcy. And you can't say they didn't live within their means. I believe they did, they made more, so they spend more, it balance it all out. We made less so we spend less, only some idiots when crazy and spend what they don't and can not have.

You don't have to work in the office or good high class jobs to make money. My aunt and uncle do labor works, their combine in comes it's almost $150 thousands a year, so I don't believe in you won't be affected if you don't have high paying job. It'll effect everyone no matter what level you are, if you work hard you will get good income... and I'm sure no one want their hard earn living to be share with everyone else, that doesn't work as hard as them. -_-

 

[iluvnumandoil]

A clip of Maher on Larry King's show. ( i'll try to post the clip later)

He said of Joe the Plumber's dream of buying the plumbing business and making a lot of money,

"this is what the Republicans do. They prey on people who have a dream -- and we're all for dreams. I'm not against dreams. The American dream, terrific. But sometimes it's just a fantasy.

And Joe thinks, apparently, he's going to take over his boss' business and make more than $250,000 a year."

What a fool that Joe is - to actually pursue the American Dream. America is a land where only hack comedians can become rich. Maher went on to say:

"Obama is for people who live in reality, who actually need money and a tax break now. He's living in the Republican fantasy world, where he's going to become rich and he's going to have over $250,000 and then he might have to pay some more taxes".

I'm glad I didn't have someone like "comedian" Bill Maher telling me that goals and dreams were impossible in America.
but the left seems to be telling us that the American Dream is dead - and I want to know if you agree.

 

[Maya_Fantasy]

Bill Maher is probably trying to be sarcastic about the whole situations about Joe, because Obama said a plumber can't make $250 thousand a year.

American dreams is probably dead as they say, because to me most only dreams, but never try to make it into reality. They only dreams and wait for hand out and wait for others to take the initial step first, which it will never happen. If you really want your dreams to come true, you have to work hard and set goal to get it. If you wait for it to come to you, then goodluck, keep on waiting. I'm sure someday you'll eventually wake up and see Obama long line of peoples waiting for his handing out half sandwich. :loool:

I believe in anything is possible if you work for it. Look at Bill Gate for example, he didn't start out as millionaire, yet he is now. Look at those two guys that founded yahoo... they didn't expect to become a millionaire either, yet they are, because they work and do what they believe in. They didn't just sit around and procrastinating what IF or waiting for their government hand out. :mellow:
Sometime instead of going with the flow, why not go against the current and see where it will takes you, is not a bad ideas at all.

 

[noungning]

lol reading the past few responses feels like i'm reading a fairy tale story. right, u have a dream, chase it, run for it, don't walk... be careful not to trip either, just don't forget that before u catch it, u'll go thru more than just cuts and bruises. once, u become immune to it, u will then be like a chameleon and just blend.

the truth is, the "american dream" is getting harder and harder to achieve... so all 3 of u are saying... if one works at dunkin donuts, mcdonalds, walmart and my factory shop for full time... have 4 full time jobs, wait 4jobsx8hours=32 hours per day... oops guess that can't happen... ok fine 3 full time jobs, 3x8=24 ah, ok works perfect. since they'd need only minimum education to work in these places... they'd work my ass off every single hour/minute/second of their life to pursue their american dream, to become wealthy, to be like those "rich" people... they'd one day see their millions? haha ok let's do minimum wage... here, it's $7.40/hr let's see how much u can possibly get per day without taxes... $177.60 wow!!! that's ALOT eh? enough to make millions in no time $64,284 (177.6x365) per year. after taxes... give or take about $53,000 after taxes, so working for about +/- 16-18 years, they'll hit their first million... a dream come true. but that's if they've not spent a penny wahahah that person must have very bad BO that's for sure.

the truth is, even if u work in the factories as a typical worker earning close to minimum wage from morning, day, evening, night, dawn... u wouldn't be making $250,000 even combined...

it's hard to tell a story to someone whom refuses to listen, and apparently that seems to be the case here.

natty, i do have property that is worth more than $250,000 and if i opt to sell i'd also be hit with the capital gain tax. i also have property given to my sister and i, so yes i do know what you mean if i sell my property we'd be affected. additionally, u speak of future, future when the property will be worth a lot more than it is now... meaning u'd also be making a lot more profit from this increase in property value right? or i've misunderstood what u meant to say? or do u mean since it's worth more, more will be taken out from your overall profit? meaning u didn't lose anything right, since it's profit?

although i do not have a fiance who'd be affected by a tax increase, i do understand the toll it'd take on those individuals as i am quite an understanding person with reason

the reason i think of today, and not tomorrow, or the future is because if i don't make today work and leave it in the mumble jumble that it's in, how can i think about tomorrow, or 5 years from now? just leave it alone and tomorrow it'd untangle on its own? ...or should i solve what would happen in 10 years from now before it has even happened? why think of what if, if you can't deal with the situation at hand? why be so optimistic that there would be an opportunity to think of what if?

and u're probably right, i may probably never experience your hardship because u are way up there and i'm way down here.

like u, i put myself in the position i am at NOW, u are doing the same thing, u are saying u are affected by this NOW. if obama is elected president, and just because i'm not making $250,000+ per, year it doesn't make me ignorant to the fact that it does affect people... they'd have to adjust their lifestyles, blah blah blah. but yet u don't put urself in ur own shoes, one that will not be affected by that proposal, one that will actually be assisted from the proposal, so i guess if u get a tax credit, pass the check to your fiance since it was partly his money? or okay, since u're quite negative towards this, pass the check to me? i'd gladly take it, same goes along to maya_fantasy whom cannot vote but will be able to experience this assistance if she isn't grossing more than $250,000+, pass your check to me, additionally iluvnumandoil, i'd gladly take yours too .

and if obama made the comment that plumbers can't make $250,000 yr... that's kinda stereotypical... because for sure they can, charging $150 just to visit the site, charging $90+ per hour, plus charging work to be done per square foot... they are capable.

any successful person aren't afraid to take risks, but apparently there aren't many in here because they are too comfortable in their normal warm spots

 

[iluvnumandoil]

here's a thought, we can stop thinking of ourselves as Democrats or Republicans and start thinking of ourselves as united Americans yearning to be free from politicians and corporate executives that want to enslave us.

i cant wait till this election is over with

 

[noungning]

haha, i've never thought of myself as either or... but i'm just swayed with one's proposal more than another after several debates and things i've read and seen... of course projected by media, but how else can i get this info?

that's just how i am... i can't make myself believe that i see red when i see white, it just doesn't work that way... and i will refute until i can prove to you why i believe this is what i see. i can't just "go with the flow" if i don't agree to the logics or the way things work, unless it is reasonable... and probably why i get myself into pretty messy situations. i'm too bluntly honest for my own good.

 

[iluvnumandoil]

haha, i've never thought of myself as either or... but i'm just swayed with one's proposal more than another after several debates and things i've read and seen... of course projected by media, but how else can i get this info?

at least we can agree on that
i get mines the same way you get yours, it's been pretty ugly this time around , i cant wait till it over with.....min. wage in my state in jan of 09 is going to be $8.55 an hour
i remember when i fisrt started working it was $4.90

 

[Maya_Fantasy]

lol reading the past few responses feels like i'm reading a fairy tale story. right, u have a dream, chase it, run for it, don't walk... be careful not to trip either, just don't forget that before u catch it, u'll go thru more than just cuts and bruises. once, u become immune to it, u will then be like a chameleon and just blend.

same goes along to maya_fantasy whom cannot vote but will be able to experience this assistance if she isn't grossing more than $250,000+, pass your check to me, additionally iluvnumandoil, i'd gladly take yours too .

Sorry noungning you feeling that way, and think so little of yourself by not wanting to do more then what you are doing now. You might see it as fairly tale story, but unfortunately I don't see it that way, because I'm living it right now. I have done what I have only dreamt of doing when I was in school, but now I'm my own boss doing something I love to do and work when I'm please. So if you don't call that a dream then I don't know what is.

There are many reason why peoples can not vote. I have my reason, but there is no need for me to give reason why... ^_^ And no I'm not waiting for hand out from the US government either, so whether my gross is less than or more than $250,000, it won't affect me much. I'm just speaking for those that can vote, and making sure they vote for what or who is best to/for America overall.
But then again on certain level, I'm speaking and thinking of myself too, because I do hold properties here in the US soil, so when and if I let it go, the tax will affect me somewhat. So all I can do now is hope and persuade the voters to vote for whom I think will someday benefit me and the American in general. ^_^

 

[lady0fdarkness]

I voted today!!

 

[iluvnumandoil]

we all have our own view on things , if your already set who you want to be in office it's hard to change their minds unlike the undecided voters who are open to both sides of the canidates, i voted since last week ...the only one i had a hard time deciding on is the death w/ dignity law in our state or assisted suicide .... A physician and pharmacist have to write and fill the lethal prescription. It would, however, be self-administered by the terminally-ill patient. i kept going between yes or no

 

[noungning]

Sorry noungning you feeling that way, and think so little of yourself by not wanting to do more then what you are doing now. You might see it as fairly tale story, but unfortunately I don't see it that way, because I'm living it right now. I have done what I have only dreamt of doing when I was in school, but now I'm my own boss doing something I love to do and work when I'm please. So if you don't call that a dream then I don't know what is.

There are many reason why peoples can not vote. I have my reason, but there is no need for me to give reason why... ^_^ And no I'm not waiting for hand out from the US government either, so whether my gross is less than or more than $250,000, it won't affect me much. I'm just speaking for those that can vote, and making sure they vote for what or who is best to/for America overall.
But then again on certain level, I'm speaking and thinking of myself too, because I do hold properties here in the US soil, so when and if I let it go, the tax will affect me somewhat. So all I can do now is hope and persuade the voters to vote for whom I think will someday benefit me and the American in general. ^_^

lol... i can sure become my own boss if i wanted to too, but that's not what i'd like to do right now. ur circumstances and mine aren't the same, u cannot base your life and mine alike... simple assumptions can be made but difficult to apply to all right? how do u know of what i do or do not do? and that's exactly what i mean... i might be working my ass off and not getting anything in return and why i'm refuting u here or i'm just a bum sitting at home and leeching off a welfare check

i am fully aware of my capabilities but sometimes, skills and capabilities aren't the only thing u need to possess in order to move forward.

i'm not questioning why u can't vote. i simply said although u can't vote, u are possibly filing for income tax, and will likely get a credit, if u aren't making more than $250,000. well unless u don't and illegally living here and not filing and that's a whole 'nother story. if i've given u the wrong idea, i apologize. but since u mentioned u have land, then i'm assuming u are legal resident. EXACTLY, since u aren't waiting for "governmental distribution of wealth"... and i've been made to look like i'm a beggar begging u for YOUR money then when u get it, please send it to me because i'm sitting on my ass right now waiting for it

 

[lady0fdarkness]

If Obama becomes President, I wonder if he will "spread the wealth" and distribute money from his own pocket? Hump... my guess is probably hell no, not a penny.


hahahha

 

[cecilia]

^we don't' even know that yet, we're just assuming how things are being handle ..
but this is how i think and feel. if i were to take the initiative, i will be the first one to agree to have higher tax for me .. so yup, that's how i see it.
no one should be punish for working hard, earning what they earn so i guess it's best to leave the poor ppl behind, but when it come to them hurting, we're also hurting. don't we?

sure, smart ppl will come around and find ways to cut back tax .. all that matter is that at least the money is going in for some good uses.
not saying that all ppl who receive help from govt or anything like that are beggar .. it's those that abuse it that we find hard to help.
but those that work hard, day and night .. they are the one that deserve giving in a hand .. especially from those that can make over 200, 000 easily.
if i were to make so much money in a short period of time, i'll be glad to give my tax money in good use .. in the end, you also give recognition for it, aren't it?
what we need to remember is that, SOME of our family/friends came from the same route before .. at one time, they did depend on the govt for help, so now they're well off, they better should just forget about the rest of the citizens, not saying that everyone's responsible to help, but a little bit of your tax money to help the poor struggle family, that's too much to ask for?

US is known as a wealthy country, when it come to crisis like this, ppl refuse to look down and help, how rightful are we to complain or insult a 3rd world country when their rich refuse to help their poor. we're just as bad .. 4 years to try out something new to solve the US economy and that's too much to ask for, are we that afraid and selfish to take risk?

 

[noungning]

unfortunately, we are. since majority rules over minority.

that's what sucks...people are too selfish to realize that you can't just become a physician, a nurse, a lawyer, a professional athlete, a news reporter, and etc. by just obtaining a high school diploma or GED... or own a business because u want one. there are many steps to take and funding that's needed in order to get to that "goal".

forgot to ask last night.

i'd describe a step by step process to open a business, but i suppose it'd be too long. let's just start with all that matters, funding. how and where is the funding supposed to come from? to reach your grandiose dream, u have nothing but dreams, u want to open a business but u have no credit nor resume to back up your experience... so where is this funding coming from? mommy and daddy? ^_^

 

[noungning]

If Obama becomes President, I wonder if he will "spread the wealth" and distribute money from his own pocket? Hump... my guess is probably hell no, not a penny.


hahahha

right...

and i wonder if mccain, would, instead of use our tax money to give to corporations, he can use his own money and give it to them

and like u, i guess he probably wouldn't

i don't know about u but i'd rather see the money i gave the government coming back to me instead of being given to corporations so they can give their CEOs and CFOs bigger bonuses. <_<