Asking for Donations! And whats going to happen to SW for the future.
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jensen
sarNie Fansubber
Silky n ppl who r abroad, u can send money via western Union, a money transfer service, n ppl u send money to can get it in a short time...they just need the sending number that u can tell them, and they go to a western Union office (or Post Office n other places which provides this service) to get it with the number n ID card.
darvil
sarNie Adult
sarn this thread is in public! you know google probably search for keywords like "google ad click" or something. Lets not talk about it any further. Don't want to raise red flags. Although I must admit.. looking at the click.. there were quite alot more yesterday LOL.
Anyway I think there might be a way. I was talking to someone about those pre-paid credit cards. I think if you buy one that is Visa, there shouldn't be any problems using it on paypal. All you would have to do is create a paypal account then add in the credit card and use the amount you bought for from it. I think that should be fine. I don't know if they sell any of those kinds of credit cards in Australia.. I would think so.
Man I didn't realize wring a money order in Australia would be that expensive!
Anyway I think there might be a way. I was talking to someone about those pre-paid credit cards. I think if you buy one that is Visa, there shouldn't be any problems using it on paypal. All you would have to do is create a paypal account then add in the credit card and use the amount you bought for from it. I think that should be fine. I don't know if they sell any of those kinds of credit cards in Australia.. I would think so.
Man I didn't realize wring a money order in Australia would be that expensive!
Muddie Murda
smile...
Oh yeahhh e_e one of my customers told me it costed as much as buying one of my charms. O_O I can't believe it! Isn't it free at the banks though? I don't know. Aussie folks *sends marduk to attack* JUST KIDDING, I'M NOT COUNTRIST LIKE MARDUK!
anan
sarNie Adult
Hi Darvil and everybody there...
First of all, i think it is an interesting idea, but, u may miss some other considerations to be taken into account...
- First of all, the problem of Bandwidth that u mentioned already and probably too briefly.... and dont forget to multiply your number of visitors per day by the video filesize which i think will make a big traffic jam on ur video server !
- Secondly, i think personally it's risky to host all lakorn and other video stuff on a single server. I take a look a little about clip share scripts requirement, (have to install some plugins for the server too hah ? lol), i think it will work perfectly assuming that u run on a single server and also with huge bandwidth to deliver video streaming content...
But the best solution would be to have 3 servers: 1 to serve Sarnies from Asia, 1 for European Sarnies, and 1 for US... like a distributed environment to deliver content to the closest visitors location and hence limiting the overheat of ur single server in ur workplace (ur boss may blame u if their network is soo slow lol).
Clip share is nice if u r video content creator, but regarding lakorns video, i think that most of ppl. want just to click on a link to download(very quick if possible lol) and watch comfortably with their PC, laptop, or home video DVD player etc...
- Finally, if u plan to host on a server in Europe or somewhere else, think twice about "copyrighted materials" including video/audio. Just a simple alert email is enough to give them the right to remove all ur contents or ban ur site.
As for me, i can provide you an unlimited webspace hosting & bandwidth on a server based in UK, but, not yet ready for copyrighted materials, except for personal creations... however, i don't know if in Thailand there is law to protect copyrights and stuff, regarding videos from Thai channels etc... :huh:
and if IpTV can sue u if u distributed their so called video contents lol...
^_^
First of all, i think it is an interesting idea, but, u may miss some other considerations to be taken into account...
- First of all, the problem of Bandwidth that u mentioned already and probably too briefly.... and dont forget to multiply your number of visitors per day by the video filesize which i think will make a big traffic jam on ur video server !
- Secondly, i think personally it's risky to host all lakorn and other video stuff on a single server. I take a look a little about clip share scripts requirement, (have to install some plugins for the server too hah ? lol), i think it will work perfectly assuming that u run on a single server and also with huge bandwidth to deliver video streaming content...
But the best solution would be to have 3 servers: 1 to serve Sarnies from Asia, 1 for European Sarnies, and 1 for US... like a distributed environment to deliver content to the closest visitors location and hence limiting the overheat of ur single server in ur workplace (ur boss may blame u if their network is soo slow lol).
Clip share is nice if u r video content creator, but regarding lakorns video, i think that most of ppl. want just to click on a link to download(very quick if possible lol) and watch comfortably with their PC, laptop, or home video DVD player etc...
- Finally, if u plan to host on a server in Europe or somewhere else, think twice about "copyrighted materials" including video/audio. Just a simple alert email is enough to give them the right to remove all ur contents or ban ur site.
As for me, i can provide you an unlimited webspace hosting & bandwidth on a server based in UK, but, not yet ready for copyrighted materials, except for personal creations... however, i don't know if in Thailand there is law to protect copyrights and stuff, regarding videos from Thai channels etc... :huh:
and if IpTV can sue u if u distributed their so called video contents lol...
^_^
darvil
sarNie Adult
This is a good post. Let me give some of my thoughts on it.
First of all. I don't intend to make this public and I have some ideas on how to limit access esp with people downloading. For example I intend to download caps to 50k streaming speed and perhaps limit each IP to 2 connections. Now in theory if the server was streaming 24 people 24/7 at 50k each it would mean that the server would use up something along the line of 3000 gigs per month (I saw a nice deal for a server with 3000gigs for 161 dollars in Amsterdam; comes with a terabyte of HD too). So far thats what I'm looking at. Remember that it would be 24 people 24/7 which probably won't happen. During peak time there might be like 50 people but it would die down during late night. Also remember that Peak streaming time for the US is early for Europe so it would actually be less bandwidth for them as European customers will be using their connections when the US sleeps (this is probably their plan). If push come to shove, we could invest into a dedicated 20 mpbs (but I don't think that will happen for a while.)
Yea I had to install converting tools such as mplayer and ffmpeg etc and increase some basic stuff like php.ini. but not too much work really. Personally I do like your idea of having 3 servers but you have to remember that.. its like the song "Its all about the money" by Meja. For now thats the plan. Plus you know that most of the people who comes to SW are from the US and Europe. So I'm just trying to do the best with what we have.
Also I think you misread my post. The video server will not be at my workplace. The server which I'm asking for donation will actually host the SW forum and other forums. The only thing that will be on the server will be the forums and the radio. This is one reason why I'm not too worried if the video server was shutoff because the forum will not be connected to the video server at all. As long as the forum is up it doesn't matter to me. The video site will just be an "extension" of the forum so it doesn't worry me. Plus I will be backing up the video files too so if they do shut us off. We'll just get a new server and reupload to it. It won't be that much of a problem really.
I do take your warning seriously about them shutting off the server. I don't know if you know this but Europe is actually much more lenient on contents such as what we plan to do then the US. I mean think about all those great torrent sites. Alot of them are hosted in Europe. Companies here are much more sensitive about it.
You're definately right about people preference in downloading series instead of streaming. This is actually one of the thing I like about it. Why? Well it would mean that there would be less people willing to stream and watch it in the small screen. You have to remember that its nice to download but episodes are not always available. I mean in theory we could post around 150 lakorns on a 500 gig HD. That means that if they were missing an episode or something they can cover that base. I mean you can't find some series and might have to wait days for someone to upload it right? Its great if its there to download but thats not always the case. Plus I don't intend to make it lakorns only. I have alot of videos I would love to post too and NOT cut into little pieces. I'd love to upload shows like Japanorama and a full 45 mins of it too. But overall the videos should reflect our interest. I don't intend the video part of it to "take over" the downloads. because it won't and you know the reasons why. Its just more of a backup and a "fun" and "interesting" thing for members to browse around. Plus its definately more personal so people "comments" on videos will be more meaningful. I just want to give another thing for the community to enjoy and to come closer to each other.
Your last point I think I already addressed. Let me just say that I'm gonna try to make it as "low profile" as I can (like not being able to hotlink and only privately shared). But if you ask me.. would a tiny little screen of it really bother them that bad? I don't know. As far as I know, it isn't that *that* serious. Not as bad as hosting hugely public torrent sites. I think we'll be ok because we're small potatoes.
Wow I sure did write alot huh.
Oh...Interesting post, Anan.
But actually, the downloading or streaming. I think both would matter.
Free downloading has a limit. Sometimes, it slows down your PC an
all. But then again, like Sendspace, Megaupload, Rapidshare and others,
you are only allowed to download one file at a time. My theory is that
all free uploading sites are going to start doing that in the near future.
Because of that, sometimes, some folks just wish they could watch the
video even when they have to wait to download it. I mean Sendspace
limits you to download only one gig a day, right? And Megaupload limits
to a number of bytes too. So the streaming can come in handy.
I'm not saying you're wrong, because you're really smart and thinking
of other things that might happen. But, am I making sense? *Shrugs.
----------Muddie, LOLs. Just read that. I'm cracking up so bad. LMFAO.
But actually, the downloading or streaming. I think both would matter.
Free downloading has a limit. Sometimes, it slows down your PC an
all. But then again, like Sendspace, Megaupload, Rapidshare and others,
you are only allowed to download one file at a time. My theory is that
all free uploading sites are going to start doing that in the near future.
Because of that, sometimes, some folks just wish they could watch the
video even when they have to wait to download it. I mean Sendspace
limits you to download only one gig a day, right? And Megaupload limits
to a number of bytes too. So the streaming can come in handy.
I'm not saying you're wrong, because you're really smart and thinking
of other things that might happen. But, am I making sense? *Shrugs.
----------Muddie, LOLs. Just read that. I'm cracking up so bad. LMFAO.
It only for international money order. -_-
Totally agree on this one, really hate streaming.
What if I like the things I watch, doesn't that mean I have stream it again and agin. Whereas if i can download then I can watch it over and over again. This is what I find annoying about youtube, cause I have to stream everying again when I want to watch certain part that I like. That is just my personal opinion.
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jensen
sarNie Fansubber
Videos which will be on that vdo server are mainly lakorns, shows, mvs, right??? well if we consider what the DMCA (in The USA) n the LCEN (For France) say about vdos diffusion, it's illegal to do it without authorisation from the TV channels, authors, etc....
But, but but (hihihi), (according to the little i know about that), there's an error of interpretation, and popular vdos sites like Youtube n Dailymotion use that error to diffuse stuff, cos both 'laws' allows for public stuff which have a informative purpose. If the vdos that u guys show on the site have already been diffused on TV, or intended for PUBLIC, then in practice u can use it. It's the same for P2P.
The duties for vdo diffusers are to pay more attention to the type of vdos (porn, violent vdos, etc...) n delete if the files r not appropriated, or if they have been informed by authorities about the illegal diffusion causing damages to the authors, or if ppl who see the site wanna inform them.
But i don't think the authorities would pay attention to SW Video server (i dun mean it is not important), cos 1: sw makes it low profile about it (not illimited public) n 2: i think they would focuse more on big sites as Dailymotion n Youtube which generate a lot of various stuff (more risks of finding illegal, porn, violent, propaganda vdos...) n more money to get from if they bring a lawsuit.
Does what i say makes sense? lol Ngong lor? hihih i ngong meuan kun...lol
auto ejection !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
But, but but (hihihi), (according to the little i know about that), there's an error of interpretation, and popular vdos sites like Youtube n Dailymotion use that error to diffuse stuff, cos both 'laws' allows for public stuff which have a informative purpose. If the vdos that u guys show on the site have already been diffused on TV, or intended for PUBLIC, then in practice u can use it. It's the same for P2P.
The duties for vdo diffusers are to pay more attention to the type of vdos (porn, violent vdos, etc...) n delete if the files r not appropriated, or if they have been informed by authorities about the illegal diffusion causing damages to the authors, or if ppl who see the site wanna inform them.
But i don't think the authorities would pay attention to SW Video server (i dun mean it is not important), cos 1: sw makes it low profile about it (not illimited public) n 2: i think they would focuse more on big sites as Dailymotion n Youtube which generate a lot of various stuff (more risks of finding illegal, porn, violent, propaganda vdos...) n more money to get from if they bring a lawsuit.
Does what i say makes sense? lol Ngong lor? hihih i ngong meuan kun...lol
auto ejection !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
anan
sarNie Adult
Hi Addiction,
Well, that's interesting that u mentioned about these files hosting,
however, Sendspace and Rapidshare can be "cheated", and even if Darvil implement the same system based on IP address to limit the downloader...
We still can change at anytime our IP address using proxy servers, cleaning the cookies etc...
These uploading sites use already that principle to share the resource on different servers... ^_^
We could create a nice Thai lakorn Video Database backup ^_^
darvil
sarNie Adult
Yea I get your point. And like I said, that isn't such a problem because its more of a "backup" plan. I'm sure there's a few things on there you'll likeIt only for international money order. -_-
Totally agree on this one, really hate streaming.
What if I like the things I watch, doesn't that mean I have stream it again and agin. Whereas if i can download then I can watch it over and over again. This is what I find annoying about youtube, cause I have to stream everying again when I want to watch certain part that I like. That is just my personal opinion.
There sure is a ton of hax out of sendspace and rapidshare but if you ask me.. it doesn't matter in our case. Thats because there won't be a daily limit anyway. As for exploiting apache.. if you ask me.. in streaming video, there isn't really a point in doing that. As long as you get to watch it, its not a problem for most people.
anan
sarNie Adult
The Equivalent of Digital Millennium Copyright Act in France would be DADVSI, however, the LCEN is more focused on the trust and communication in the era of digital... where the ISP must be careful about what their members host in their servers and stuff...(as Jensen said: inappropriate contents, etc...)
Jensen is right in some points...
Thai got also its copyright stuff... and i don't think that thai drama, show etc... are copyrighted (maybe i am wrong?) . You can broadcast them as long that u don't make money with, or alter its contents, in order to make them as "informative" and available to public.
Personally, i am ok if Darvil go for a backup plan(to backup whatever he wants... lakorn, mv, manga etc...), but i am less for buying the Clip share scripts (200$ right ?).Yea I get your point. And like I said, that isn't such a problem because its more of a "backup" plan. I'm sure there's a few things on there you'll like
There sure is a ton of hax out of sendspace and rapidshare but if you ask me.. it doesn't matter in our case. Thats because there won't be a daily limit anyway. As for exploiting apache.. if you ask me.. in streaming video, there isn't really a point in doing that. As long as you get to watch it, its not a problem for most people.
Instead of doing the youtube style stuff with Clipshare, i would like to suggest after Sarnworld Radio broadcast.... to create a SarnWorld TV show!
... where Sarnies members can upload and broadcast their own video/music/pictures creations displayed by the last added content... <-- in that case, i think that case we will have no more problem with illegal stuff... ^_^, and hence, no problem of hosting anymore ^_^ and no need to make a "low profile"... ^_^ or being tagged as a "paradise of warezzz" ^_^
jensen
sarNie Fansubber
Well i didn't forge the DADVSI, but me was too lazy to explain hahaha...I know, mai dee lereeeeeeeeeeeeee...
But u mentioned it, so here is an explanation (i'll try to make it simple lol) : it's a repressive law about authors rights, relative rights in the information society ; formally, it's a reform of a previous law on copyrights (EUCD)
=> the repression for exchanging copyrighted stuff by p2p network, n other things related to copyright, including rights on resale of art works, copyright for governmental works ...ect...
Now i realize that it was useful to study law b4..lol
marduk
Sarnie Clown!
Ditto. :blink:
Let's amuse ourselves by dancing a jig Sarn. We're both too cool to understand these techie stuff.
*Cue the accordian music*
Oh wow Anan. You're too smart for me. >.<
But like, sometimes, folks don't really seem to want to mess with that stuff.
Like me, for example. I used to use "cheats" to bypass those limits. But,
sometimes, they don't work. We'd have to get really expensive kinds of
programs for that kind of stuff. But I think you're right as well. Nice artwork
by the way, I get it. ^__^ Ha, ha. This, is interesting. LOLs.
Marduk & sarN: I'm laughing my butt off. Ha, ha. ROFLSH.
But like, sometimes, folks don't really seem to want to mess with that stuff.
Like me, for example. I used to use "cheats" to bypass those limits. But,
sometimes, they don't work. We'd have to get really expensive kinds of
programs for that kind of stuff. But I think you're right as well. Nice artwork
by the way, I get it. ^__^ Ha, ha. This, is interesting. LOLs.
Marduk & sarN: I'm laughing my butt off. Ha, ha. ROFLSH.