i don't agree with this because i feel that this should be up to the parents. these kids are young so i believe in doing what we can to keep their innocence. i know of a family w/ a little boy who is 7 and a girl who is 6. their mom stopped letting them bathe together, but they don't understand why. this just proves how innocent they are and i don't think we should be teaching them things that would confuse them further.
parent(s)/guardian(s) is/are sometimes not the best figure to teach, and with some lacking that ability can make it seem worse. IMHO, i feel as if gays, lesbians or transgendered people are made to look as if they're the evil monsters that you don't want to be associated with. i know a few people whom mentioned that they had no idea how gays are, or ever been around one...which is totally strange to me because i've been raised around a bunch of gays and transgendered people. but i don't want to inflict my beliefs or thoughts on them to believe in what i believe or feel...
it is right, these kids are so young and innocent, this is the best time to tell them that there are various types of people, there isn't only a black or white. there are many shades in between, and from being in school this is for them to explore and discover, but as a teacher, aren't they also there to help guide and teach these kids? in part, teachers are just like parents/guardians...they are there as a role model to these kids, but they aren't there to make a decision for them of what is right or what should be right,
because that is your personal belief. they should be empowered and given a choice when that time comes of realizing who they really are.
as for the 6 and 7 yr old... i'm a psych minor, and i've learned of sigmund freud... u might've heard of him? he has 7 stages for development, and when a person reaches 6-7 years old... it's when they are exploring sex, i know it's crazy... but it's true, this stage is called latency. the stage before this, when they were 4-5 they were experiencing the love hate relationship with their parents... for a boy he'd be tied to the hip with his mom and as for girls she's tied to the hip with her dad... or known as oedipus for boys and electra for girls... they develop a sensation as if they're jealous of their mom for loving their dad and wants to kill em... however, if this is different... where the female longs for the mother more because there's simply no father figure in the picture... this can also stem to cause of changing their orientation at such a younger age.
because the boy and the girl are both at that level and a bit passed it... they shouldn't be bathing together. which is the correct thing to do... but should the parents be explaining it in the psychological type of way? no, of course not, since they won't be comprehending it to the same level as we do. however, they have the right and ability to explain that because they are getting older, they should take separate baths and because a boy and a girl should not have to bathe together...it's very uneasy to do, but it must be done... they shouldn't be separated and not given a reason... it just leads to more curiosity and resistance.
Fast forward a century later and you have the gay rights issue. Let's say we have Civil Unions that provide for the EXACT same benefits as marriages (which is not happening, but let's assume it also did). Now if Civil Unions are the same as marriages, why are they not just called marriages? It is this separation that will make it NOT EQUAL. How can it be equal when one term carries a different connotation than the other? And that right there is UNCONSTITUTIONAL. That's why the California Supreme Court struck down the previous law that banned gay marriages. This new proposition 8 will probably be challenged in a court of law and it will eventually be struck as unconstitutional too. Of course, it won't be unconstitutional based on the California constitution because of prop 8. However, eventually this will make it to the US Supreme Court and with this current group of Justices, it still might not pass. But I am 99.9% certain that it will be legalized eventually because this goes against our United States Constitution.
I know some disagree with this because they believe marriage should be reserved for a man and a woman. In fact, my own state obviously believes this because they struck down Prop 8. But we have to remember that this objection to marriage between gays comes from personal beliefs. We must also remember that the law cannot be based on personal ideologies. We are all supposed to be equal before the law and to not allow a group of people to marry just because of their race, personal beliefs, or sexual preference is wrong LEGALLY. It has nothing to do with your beliefs.
Remember that I'm just talking about the legal standpoint here. Of course, many churches and religions have their own beliefs. But shouldn't that be the realm of the church to decide? If a church doesn't want gay marriages, then it shouldn't perform gay marriages. But to impose that belief on everyone else is legally incorrect. ...why 1st graders everywhere will not all of a sudden become gay just because gay marriages are allowed.
lmfao, underlined. that's what i think too. if it's going to do anything, it's going to answer those young kids... "oh, so it's normal... being gay is normal, they have feelings just like us, they can even get married"... i don't think it'd provoke them into thinking ok i'm going to grow up and marry the person of my same sex... but it will show that gays, lesbians and etc are just normal like us and not the evil monster or strange creature they are made to be.
i agree with u mike-o. equality means being treated equal, but this is unconstitutional, segregating and discriminating.
with that being said, are you born gay or is it a choice?
for me, i don't necessarily call it a choice... because i think it's both nature and nurture.
genetically people are born to be gay... for example, when a boy is given a choice of pink or blue... he always picked pink, since he was 2. i know it's a lame example, but i think u get what i mean... that really can't be a choice is it?
then there are people whom learned of how it is to be with certain circumstances and developed into a person that isn't considered a societal norm... i think if it were choice... why wouldn't they choose to be normal? well ok, there are rebellious people, but those are just craving for attention and aren't part of my debate here.
This brings me to the question that everyone is thinking. What if I want to get married to more then one woman or hell hook up with my pet goat? or sheep?
I like that legal argument but how would it fit into the picture if I was interested in something that isn't in our culture's accepted/acceptable mores or beliefs?
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As for the thing about civil union, I am all for having one that would give the exact legal advantages that a marriage does but it doesn't have to be called "marriage". Call it civil union 2.0 or something. Yeah it doesn't make sense logically but I kind of like this as a middle-of-the-road solution. That way those who believes the word "marriage" should be between a man and a woman can have the word and gay people can have the legal rights that they should get.
lol omg... how did i know u would being animals into the picture.
yup i'm all for civil unions if it comes with the benefits given to a married person, but it doesn't... why is it ok to cover your opposite sex domestic partner whom isn't married to you, but not okay to cover the same sex domestic partner?
another issue i wanted to bring up in is what about those who are hermaphrodite? did they choose to be born that way? no. they're genetic make-up screwed them over causing them to be "intersex". im just wondering, is that the same case for the gay? i know many years ago when an infant was born with 2 different sex organs, some parents were given the opportunity to decide which organ they wanted to keep. so if they chose male and their son happens to actually have more female hormones than male hormones, their son starts developing these female characteristics such as breasts. what do we say about that? i know that being feminine doesn't mean that you're gay, but im just saying. i know nowadays, the parents don't choose. thorough tests are done to determine the genetic make-up, whether the infant is more female or male.
some people are born with the X and Y chromosome that would make them male or the two X chromosome that would make them female, but sometimes the body doesn't react to the hormones that are present and so a person may start developing characteristics that are opposite of what he/she should be. this is why we hear stories about "a male being trapped in a female's body" or a "female being trapped in a male's body".
i honestly don't know if we'll ever have an answer to whether you're born gay or you're gay by choice. it's just one of those controversial topics.
this reminds me of a show i saw on msnbc... it's about a guy, he transplanted into a girl since he was 19 but he said he knew he was always a girl, and he came to another point in his life where he discovers he doesn't feel "right"... so he decided to transform back to a guy... but after he's had his penis removed, he's a guy with female body parts. it's something that someone like myself will never understand to their extent, but seeing it i'm aware of how frustrating it can be... i mean i get frustrated trying to figure out a simple math equation, i can't imagine struggling to understand my own sex.
Btw, I'm just talking about this in law terms. Personally, I wouldn't give a damn if someone wants to marry a goat.
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Geez. Asking how the goat argument fits into the gay marriage issue...weak. At least, ask a hard question like "if gay marriage is legalized, how will we stop roommates everywhere from obtaining marriage licenses and defrauding the government for tax benefits?" Even that is a harder question than the goat argument.
Geez.
haha well gosh, he was double checking if u'd be jealous mike-o... because u tend to pick ur monkeys over him... he's gonna get a goat over u lmfao.
oh gosh dude... are u thinking about chuck and larry? lol.... but this already happens with
heterosexuals. why should we panic when it's the gays doing it? back to equality.